Summer mercato 2012

[Ryo]

Ryo, I'm not sure if you're suggesting Chelsea developed Ramires, but if so I ought to mention he was already pretty well known before joining Chelsea.

Not exactly suggesting that mate, but trying to indicate a point:

When you have a young player on the team who is well known, pretty talented and earning decent reviews, you don't send him out to some two-bit team for playing time, hoping he develops the way you want him to.

Hell no, you sit him on OUR TEAM'S bench and develop him along with the team in the EXACT way that you MEAN for him to. Granted he won't get much playing time at first, but thats why he's suppose to be here. He's suppose to have the talent to play himself into the team, into contention with the minutes that are given to him. Isn't that what Kaka and Pato did for us back then? Isn't that how Maldini started off? Not playing for some Gubbio or Torino, but actually subbing into and out of our team, playing and training with our first team players and learning the ropes and the proper system from the team.

Sending younger talent down for development makes sense. But sending players on the fringe of/already playing for the first team down to teams that don't even play our type of football accomplishes what exactly?

[GeoTav]

Some months ago, I mentionned Giroud as a potentially good player, but with some reserve concerning the fact that he could well become a "new Gignac" (amazing for one season, and he has now disappeared in Marseille) ...

Well, right now, I think Giroud is not that kind of player, he should really become "the next big thing" in France, because the guy can score in any position, he is tall, he is powerful, he has good technical skills, he is able to assist, and it seems he isn't afraid by pressure (look at his performances in the few NT games he has played so far).

I don't think he will move from Montpellier because they got an historical title for them and will play for the first time of their history in CL, but I think we should maybe start some negotiations with that guy right now to prepare the Summer mercato of 2013. HE could be an ideal player to replace Ibrahimovic in our team, but he is for sure a bit more humble and he really plays for the team, not for himself ...

PS : Yes, for the first time since I've joined MM, there is a French player I'd like to have in Milan ...

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Ryo, I'm not sure if you're suggesting Chelsea developed Ramires, but if so I ought to mention he was already pretty well known before joining Chelsea.

Not exactly suggesting that mate, but trying to indicate a point:

When you have a young player on the team who is well known, pretty talented and earning decent reviews, you don't send him out to some two-bit team for playing time, hoping he develops the way you want him to.

Hell no, you sit him on OUR TEAM'S bench and develop him along with the team in the EXACT way that you MEAN for him to. Granted he won't get much playing time at first, but thats why he's suppose to be here. He's suppose to have the talent to play himself into the team, into contention with the minutes that are given to him. Isn't that what Kaka and Pato did for us back then? Isn't that how Maldini started off? Not playing for some Gubbio or Torino, but actually subbing into and out of our team, playing and training with our first team players and learning the ropes and the proper system from the team.

Sending younger talent down for development makes sense. But sending players on the fringe of/already playing for the first team down to teams that don't even play our type of football accomplishes what exactly?

But it's a matter of opinion, I never thought Strasser could be a starting player in Milan, at best, he could become a backup ...

About Merkel, I have mixed feelings, it seems he could become a very good player, but at the same time, with what happened this season (not being a starter in Genoa, earning a place in that team around December/January, coming back to Milan and being injured for a long time), he probably didn't develop at all that season.

If both players allow us to get better players, I'm ok with that (El Sharaawy is probably a better prospect than Merkel, and about Strasser, we'll see in the next few weeks) ...

[Gabriel426]

Geo, for the record, pls indicate you are not Giroud or have any relationship or courtship with Giroud or his family or friends. After that, we will take your word for him, hahaha.

I agree with Ryo on Merkel, Strausser or De Scigilo. They are as good or better than the players MIlan currently have at their positions. What is the point of sending them out and signing players like Taoare and Monty?(Assuming Milan will actually sign great midfielders to start while Taoare and Monty are bench players.) I am not saying Taoare and Monty are not good players but the gap between them and Merkel and Strausser are that big.

[Kastriot]

Sending younger talent down for development makes sense. But sending players on the fringe of/already playing for the first team down to teams that don't even play our type of football accomplishes what exactly?

Great observation Ryo. That is the difference btw MIlan primavera and Barcelona masia. They take players and dont teach them football. They teach them their style. They might even be average football players but great at Barcelona style. Barcelona know that they will not get 11 great players by their masia, thats why when they see someone other who is close to their style of play they do not care how much they spend, hence (Alves, Sanchez, Cesc, Pique and now T. Silva).

I swear, Pedro,Busquets,Tello,Cuenca would be less than average players in every other team in the world. In Barca they are first team players.

In Milan we breed them differently. We don`t teach them anything specific, we tell them what they need to now about general football until 17-18 than through them around Serie A and B and just HOPE they become smth out of themselves.

WE believe that playing and bench time in Genoa first team is better than full playing time in our Primavera. Barca have different view. They believe that their players have it better in their masia and B team rather than in Real Sociedad playing part time role.

You just have to realize which team has been superior lately to know whos system works better.
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The worst about our system is that technically and tactically it might work, but our young players over the years playing for varese, padova, genoa and torino they get the mentality of a small team players,and it is very hard to make the transition when they come back.
Abate is a great example. They guy has improved a lot both technically and tactically and he is very solid player, but mentally he is still a small team player and when it matters the most (DERBY) he will make the most stupid mistake ever. (three times in a row).

Please someone refresh my mind, who is the last young player that we brought in that was very strong mentally. (a big game player lets say.)

[brasileiro]

Some months ago, I mentionned Giroud as a potentially good player, but with some reserve concerning the fact that he could well become a "new Gignac" (amazing for one season, and he has now disappeared in Marseille) ...

Well, right now, I think Giroud is not that kind of player, he should really become "the next big thing" in France, because the guy can score in any position, he is tall, he is powerful, he has good technical skills, he is able to assist, and it seems he isn't afraid by pressure (look at his performances in the few NT games he has played so far).

I don't think he will move from Montpellier because they got an historical title for them and will play for the first time of their history in CL, but I think we should maybe start some negotiations with that guy right now to prepare the Summer mercato of 2013. HE could be an ideal player to replace Ibrahimovic in our team, but he is for sure a bit more humble and he really plays for the team, not for himself ...

PS : Yes, for the first time since I've joined MM, there is a French player I'd like to

I can now say I lived to see it all

[LebRN]

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I can only curse our own management for not having what it takes to sign the up and coming players and actually developing them. Merkel and Strasser could have been our Ramires and Mikel, but we wasted our talent pool by shipping them out last year. Players need time to develop, yes, but they also need time to be worked into a system. If you take them out of the system for a year or two and place them into another system, thats not helping our team when we need them the most. We just waste a lot more time trying to re-integrate them into the system again.

Mikel? seriously???

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PS : Yes, for the first time since I've joined MM, there is a French player I'd like to have in Milan ...

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Geo recommending a French player!!! he must be reaaaaaaaaaally good
Let's send in Preziosi to buy half/loan/option the guy now

[ACMILAN1983]

Not exactly suggesting that mate, but trying to indicate a point:

When you have a young player on the team who is well known, pretty talented and earning decent reviews, you don't send him out to some two-bit team for playing time, hoping he develops the way you want him to.

Hell no, you sit him on OUR TEAM'S bench and develop him along with the team in the EXACT way that you MEAN for him to. Granted he won't get much playing time at first, but thats why he's suppose to be here. He's suppose to have the talent to play himself into the team, into contention with the minutes that are given to him. Isn't that what Kaka and Pato did for us back then? Isn't that how Maldini started off? Not playing for some Gubbio or Torino, but actually subbing into and out of our team, playing and training with our first team players and learning the ropes and the proper system from the team.

Sending younger talent down for development makes sense. But sending players on the fringe of/already playing for the first team down to teams that don't even play our type of football accomplishes what exactly?

I can't disagree with pretty much any of that, though I think this is a problem mostly in Italian football. Big clubs don't trust these youngsters enough to perform at the top level and I think if they did keep them as well as others they do trust, then we'd end up with squads similar in size to what we had this last year, which is too big.

Let's ignore that he was part of the El Shaarawy transfer for the moment, had we kept Merkel in place of Seedorf this season, would we have suffered much? In truth, Seedorf brought his experience in CL to good effect, but beyond that my answer is a big no. Seedorf and Merkel (in Genoa) played on par when considering what each brought to their teams in Serie A. Merkel, despite playing less has more assists, though this is countered as Seedorf scored more. Defensively, Merkel was more effective than Seedorf this season. Simply put, had we kept Merkel in Seedorf's place this season, we'd have a youngster gaining invaluable experience (both in football and in the culture and traditions of the club) at the highest level who may not provide the experience or leadership the elder player might, but is likely to work harder for the team and be less problematic in the dressing room.

There are other examples like this too. The key is finding the balance in the squad between players with experience and youth. I think in Italy, there's too much reliance on those who have won in the past, rather than looking to maintain a balance within the squad.

[Arildonardo]

Another quiet day on the transfer market for Milan. Only the regular rumours from unreliable sources that we are about to lose Ibra, Silva and Prince...

[Ryo]

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I can only curse our own management for not having what it takes to sign the up and coming players and actually developing them. Merkel and Strasser could have been our Ramires and Mikel, but we wasted our talent pool by shipping them out last year. Players need time to develop, yes, but they also need time to be worked into a system. If you take them out of the system for a year or two and place them into another system, thats not helping our team when we need them the most. We just waste a lot more time trying to re-integrate them into the system again.

Mikel? seriously???

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Mate, you need to read my whole post
I'm not good at picking out examples, but I had a point to make, and I think to that effect, the rest of us actually got my point

[Acmir]

http://www.football-italia.net/19347/see...stay-milan

Great news on the transfer market, Seedorf could stay in Milan, so Galliani will come out and say the transfer market is over and that we don't need anyone else because Seedorf is a champion.