05-08-2012, 01:04 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/18564/sac...-need-time
Interesting points from Sacchi about Roma. Some of it, like how to build the squad applies to us though and is something I've alluded to of late (around the time I discussed moneyball).
Gabriel, I really don't want to go into the whole Ibra debate again, but my consistency issue is that he has phases where the team relies on him and others where he actually ruins the team play.
As I and you both said, the problem is who would take Ibra's place if we were to sell him.
What are you even talking about? Who cares who Bayern fans want and their opinions?
Ibra's wage is a problem for a club with financial problems. Just as the salaries of the others players you mentioned are (even if they are less than half of Ibra's).
As for Juve and Conte, good for them but you've just said random stuff without backing up your argument. All I really got from you is Allegri's crap and Conte's great, but no explanation as to why beyond Allegri makes mistakes and Conte doesn't (see my post in the Inter thread for examples where Allegri changed a game with his decisions during matches).
Robinho is expendable, and we already have a good alternative in Cassano. If Robinho leaves, it also doesn't mean sell him without someone coming in. Robinho's assist stats are ok but for a forward he's not scored enough. He's also made horrible mistakes in front of goal which are as costly as mistakes that Mexes or Bonera make in defence resulting in opponents scoring. If we want to improve, we can't afford this, especially in CL matches where a match can turn in an instance.
Interesting points from Sacchi about Roma. Some of it, like how to build the squad applies to us though and is something I've alluded to of late (around the time I discussed moneyball).
(05-08-2012, 11:28 AM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Personally, Ibra's contract is not a problem, 1. He is responsible for almost 50% of Milan goals scored. 2. He is one of the top 10 attacking players and 20mil a year for someone like him is fair. After all, nobody wearing the Red and Black had scored over 25 league goals in a season for the past 20 yrs.
As for being consistent throughout the season. I don't think anyone can play at their highest level throughout an entire season. Like I mentioned in earlier post, other players in Milan must step up but beside Nocerino, nobody did.
I am for the argument that this might be a good time to sell him due to being the wrong side of 30. However, this will lead to another problem, who can Milan sign to replace him? As of now, Allegri's game plan is build around Ibra, he is the targetman/playmaker/scorer all in one. Boateng, Nocerino, and Muntari all play off him. The system is better with Cassano on the pitch, as he is also a playmaker. Now money aside, I think only Messi, Tevez and CR7 can replace Ibra in the system. Cavani can't do what Ibra did for Milan b/c Cavani needs through balls and crosses to score. Van Persie is a bit better but he is no Ibra. Gomez is in the same boat as Cavani.
Now even if Messi, Tevez and CR7 can come for free, their wages will be the same if not higher than Ibra.
I really don't want to repeat my point of view on Pato, as I made it pretty clear that he pretty much damaged all his muscle groups in both legs and instead of becoming Romario, he is the Brazilian Michael Owen.
Gabriel, I really don't want to go into the whole Ibra debate again, but my consistency issue is that he has phases where the team relies on him and others where he actually ruins the team play.
As I and you both said, the problem is who would take Ibra's place if we were to sell him.
(05-08-2012, 12:00 PM)abbeyleemania Wrote: Bayern fans want Boateng in their forums, Boateng, Kross and Basti would form a great midfield. One of their dreams is T.Silva. it would hurt less if we sell him to Bayern.
Both Boateng and Silva goes to Bayern.
Robinho goes to Santos.
İbra goes to Real Madrid because of his wages.
Who'll replace him? No matter what, we have finished champions, at least we wont go to Serie B.
İbra's wage is problem for our fans, i cant understand this logic. Zambrotta's, Flamini's, Van Bommel's, Ambrosini's, Gattuso's, Seeedorf's wages are not a problem but ibra earns 9 m euros a year but its a big problem. İbra atleast deserves his salary with 28 goals, 6 assists. What did Gattuso, Zambrotta, Flamini, Ambrosini, Van Bommel, Seedorf did to deserve their wages? if ibra leaves, Real or City or other will offer him same kind of salary. But yet Nobody will offer Seedorf 3 m euros a year, Gattuso 4 m euros a year, Flamini 5 m euros a year, Zambrotta 3.5 m euros a year, Van Bommel 3.5 m euros a year. Milan's problem is that, MGT, They cant manage Milan, they dont have a project, While Juve has a winning mentality, they always want to improve, They have a new project.
Berlusconi will say his words with transfer market, renew all finished players and sign 1 quality player on bosman to replace Aquilani, sign 3-4 crap players, make 40 squad players. then we are fine. With this kind of logic, Milan could only manage to win 2 scudetto in the next 10 years. if we are lucky. We only won 2 scudetto in the last 10 years.
if Galliani and Allegri had Juve's squad this year, they would finish the league 5th at most. Conte, Agnelli makes the difference. Like i said before, Conte made the difference to Allegri, Conte is a great coach, while Milan only lost points due to his mistakes. Did we win any game with his magic? Late subs, wrong choices, no plan B.
Did Milan win any game vs Udinese, Lazio, Napoli, İnter and Juventus? 1 game vs Udinese. wait, Both İsla and Di Natele injured. then they lost it because of it. We only manage to get 1 win vs them. This also shows how great coach Allegri is. Allegri is useless.
i hope you all got what i tried to mean about Nocerino after İnter game.
i really cant understand why you still want Robinho out, Robinho had 9-10 assits this season just in Serie A, he and Boateng needs creative midfield to perform better, his finishing is a prblem yet, if we get Tevez, better version of Robinho, we should let him go. But we shouldnt sell him if we dont replace him properly. El Shaarwy is not ready to step up.
Our fans has some problem. They bash our players. Boateng, İbra due to his wages, Robinho due to poor finishing.
Same kind of things happened last season, i discussed with a fan named CaRossonero. maybe you all remember that. '' We should sell ibra due to wages and we should depent on Pato'' '' Boateng is just a runner''
Do you remember what my responses are?
Pato can injury himself any time, so we cant depent on Pato. What Boateng makes is World class. im always asking myself why im always right.
Bayern fans says that Boateng is a WC midfield. A coach like Terim says that Boateng is best Milan player according to him. Boateng just needs to improve his passing and deep passes. He improved this season, he will be a lot better next season, we just need to avoid injuries he had.
What are you even talking about? Who cares who Bayern fans want and their opinions?
Ibra's wage is a problem for a club with financial problems. Just as the salaries of the others players you mentioned are (even if they are less than half of Ibra's).
As for Juve and Conte, good for them but you've just said random stuff without backing up your argument. All I really got from you is Allegri's crap and Conte's great, but no explanation as to why beyond Allegri makes mistakes and Conte doesn't (see my post in the Inter thread for examples where Allegri changed a game with his decisions during matches).
Robinho is expendable, and we already have a good alternative in Cassano. If Robinho leaves, it also doesn't mean sell him without someone coming in. Robinho's assist stats are ok but for a forward he's not scored enough. He's also made horrible mistakes in front of goal which are as costly as mistakes that Mexes or Bonera make in defence resulting in opponents scoring. If we want to improve, we can't afford this, especially in CL matches where a match can turn in an instance.