Thanks guys for the infos.
I agree with Siregar. The Italian FA wants to incorporate B teams in the lower divisions. Hopefully this will be done in the near future.
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I however think that the youth development should be analysed if the system the clubs have been following for years is still suitable or enough for current football condition. Germany reformed their youth sector 10 years ago and one of them was to focus more on technique. The quality of their young players right now either from last WC like Özil, Neuer, Müller or the last appearance of young players like Sahin, Goetze etc. IMO should be addressed to their reformation and focus on youth development they started 10 years ago. So, beside B team, restructure of any other actions needed to improve the quality of young players should be also carried out by Italian football authority.
"When Costacurta and Maldini won they didn't celebrate much. They were thinking about winning the next game" - Alessandro Nesta
(05-31-2011, 03:26 PM)Siregar Wrote: I however think that the youth development should be analysed if the system the clubs have been following for years is still suitable or enough for current football condition. Germany reformed their youth sector 10 years ago and one of them was to focus more on technique. The quality of their young players right now either from last WC like Özil, Neuer, Müller or the last appearance of young players like Sahin, Goetze etc. IMO should be addressed to their reformation and focus on youth development they started 10 years ago. So, beside B team, restructure of any other actions needed to improve the quality of young players should be also carried out by Italian football authority.
That would depend mostly on the clubs though. For example, Milan want to focus on the technique, Juventus on the defensive phase and so on.
I'm not really worried about Milan's youth academy. With our current facilities, coaches and youth system, we can produce loads of players for the future. The other teams don't look like they have invested though. This is the thing I'm worried about. In Germany, lots of teams are producing great players, especially Dortmund. Thing is, in Germany teams rely heavily on young players. In Italy they don't. They much rather play a 30-something year old and slow Maccarone than Macheda for example. Hopefully things will start to change though. Udinese and Palermo are a good example in Italy. Lots of young players, who have also come cheap, on their way to become great players.
"We are a team of devils. Our colours are red as fire, and black, to invoke fear in our opponents!"
Herbert Kilpin
Nella gioia e nell' dolore, per il Milan eterno amore!
(05-31-2011, 03:53 PM)theaxeofpain Wrote: (05-31-2011, 03:26 PM)Siregar Wrote: I however think that the youth development should be analysed if the system the clubs have been following for years is still suitable or enough for current football condition. Germany reformed their youth sector 10 years ago and one of them was to focus more on technique. The quality of their young players right now either from last WC like Özil, Neuer, Müller or the last appearance of young players like Sahin, Goetze etc. IMO should be addressed to their reformation and focus on youth development they started 10 years ago. So, beside B team, restructure of any other actions needed to improve the quality of young players should be also carried out by Italian football authority.
That would depend mostly on the clubs though. For example, Milan want to focus on the technique, Juventus on the defensive phase and so on.
I'm not really worried about Milan's youth academy. With our current facilities, coaches and youth system, we can produce loads of players for the future. The other teams don't look like they have invested though. This is the thing I'm worried about. In Germany, lots of teams are producing great players, especially Dortmund. Thing is, in Germany teams rely heavily on young players. In Italy they don't. They much rather play a 30-something year old and slow Maccarone than Macheda for example. Hopefully things will start to change though. Udinese and Palermo are a good example in Italy. Lots of young players, who have also come cheap, on their way to become great players.
It depends not only on club, it is also depend on Italian football authority. It is just like in Germany, the DFB was the one who introduced the new system the clubs should follow. If the football authority do nothing, the clubs just do the development like they think, they want. If the clubs have been carrying out right development of young players, it is ok. But many haven't or couldn't perform similar development, one of the reason could be that they don't know how to produce quality youth. This is the football authority's job.
In Germany only the last 1-3 years the club give chances to young players like now. No wonder they trust young players since the young players should be better than their previous generation. That's why we only saw few good players from Germany after their last big generation like Möller, Sammer, Klinsman, etc. We could only know Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Podolski and some others? You can compare with right now. You can list so many good young german players from Bundesliga even most of them haven't reached the quality of Schweinsteiger & co.
"When Costacurta and Maldini won they didn't celebrate much. They were thinking about winning the next game" - Alessandro Nesta
(05-31-2011, 04:14 PM)Siregar Wrote: It depends not only on club, it is also depend on Italian football authority. It is just like in Germany, the DFB was the one who introduced the new system the clubs should follow. If the football authority do nothing, the clubs just do the development like they think, they want. If the clubs have been carrying out right development of young players, it is ok. But many haven't or couldn't perform similar development, one of the reason could be that they don't know how to produce quality youth. This is the football authority's job.
In Germany only the last 1-3 years the club give chances to young players like now. No wonder they trust young players since the young players should be better than their previous generation. That's why we only saw few good players from Germany after their last big generation like Möller, Sammer, Klinsman, etc. We could only know Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Podolski and some others? You can compare with right now. You can list so many good young german players from Bundesliga even most of them haven't reached the quality of Schweinsteiger & co.
The Italian FA should enforce some rules, like for example at least 4 players from the youth academy or something like that. If I remember correctly UEFA had a plan for the 6+5 rule, where teams should field at least 6 players from the same nation as the club.
Germany isn't really known for individual talents though. They have always worked as a team. They are changing though, with players like Oezil, Marin, Kroos, Goetze, Schuerrle etc, players with a great vision and flair.
"We are a team of devils. Our colours are red as fire, and black, to invoke fear in our opponents!"
Herbert Kilpin
Nella gioia e nell' dolore, per il Milan eterno amore!
05-31-2011, 06:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2011, 06:35 PM by xudong.)
(05-31-2011, 04:27 PM)theaxeofpain Wrote: (05-31-2011, 04:14 PM)Siregar Wrote: It depends not only on club, it is also depend on Italian football authority. It is just like in Germany, the DFB was the one who introduced the new system the clubs should follow. If the football authority do nothing, the clubs just do the development like they think, they want. If the clubs have been carrying out right development of young players, it is ok. But many haven't or couldn't perform similar development, one of the reason could be that they don't know how to produce quality youth. This is the football authority's job.
In Germany only the last 1-3 years the club give chances to young players like now. No wonder they trust young players since the young players should be better than their previous generation. That's why we only saw few good players from Germany after their last big generation like Möller, Sammer, Klinsman, etc. We could only know Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Podolski and some others? You can compare with right now. You can list so many good young german players from Bundesliga even most of them haven't reached the quality of Schweinsteiger & co.
The Italian FA should enforce some rules, like for example at least 4 players from the youth academy or something like that. If I remember correctly UEFA had a plan for the 6+5 rule, where teams should field at least 6 players from the same nation as the club.
Germany isn't really known for individual talents though. They have always worked as a team. They are changing though, with players like Oezil, Marin, Kroos, Goetze, Schuerrle etc, players with a great vision and flair.
can someone confirm that? I somehow thought that it was only a proposal, not binding at all, since it is illegal violating EU's labor law. Another true plan that is being implemented is on how many home-grown (club&association) players each club must have in their team when registering for the European competitions. I think that number started as 2 a few seasons ago, and has been increasing slowly. But it is not on the 11 players that play on the pitch. I believe that's why Inter Merda kept Orlandini (3rd goalkeeper) and Materazzi, as crappy as they are. Back in the days, they almost had no Italian players in the team.
(05-31-2011, 06:33 PM)xudong Wrote: can someone confirm that? I somehow thought that it was only a proposal, not binding at all, since it is illegal violating EU's labor law. Another true plan that is being implemented is on how many home-grown (club&association) players each club must have in their team when registering for the European competitions. I think that number started as 2 a few seasons ago, and has been increasing slowly. But it is not on the 11 players that play on the pitch. I believe that's why Inter Merda kept Orlandini (3rd goalkeeper) and Materazzi, as crappy as they are. Back in the days, they almost had no Italian players in the team.
The proposal I think was turned down because of the law you said.
Here are the UEFA Champions League rules. Squad registration and eligibility is on page 22. 
"We are a team of devils. Our colours are red as fire, and black, to invoke fear in our opponents!"
Herbert Kilpin
Nella gioia e nell' dolore, per il Milan eterno amore!
Not really a Primavera player, but Paloschi scored today with the Under 21 against Ivory Coast. Italy won 2-0. Forza Paloschi! I'm really looking forward to this guy when Inzaghi retires.
"We are a team of devils. Our colours are red as fire, and black, to invoke fear in our opponents!"
Herbert Kilpin
Nella gioia e nell' dolore, per il Milan eterno amore!
Italian coaches traditionally focus on tactics, watching tapes hour after hour, they won't be very exited seeing young talents practice pedalada all day. Experience and discipline prevail. As pragmatic as they are, young players will break into it soon.
(06-02-2011, 01:18 AM)theaxeofpain Wrote: Not really a Primavera player, but Paloschi scored today with the Under 21 against Ivory Coast. Italy won 2-0. Forza Paloschi! I'm really looking forward to this guy when Inzaghi retires.
I really like this player. His spirit like Inzaghi and his emotion is similar to Gattuso. How he scored is typically Inzaghi. I don't mind he is here if Inzaghi really retires next season. If there is better option, we could give him other club since he is just so young even he already played many games (even not so many).
"When Costacurta and Maldini won they didn't celebrate much. They were thinking about winning the next game" - Alessandro Nesta
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