05-10-2011, 03:36 PM
(05-10-2011, 02:23 PM)brasileiro Wrote:(05-10-2011, 09:31 AM)GeoTav Wrote: Taiwo should receive a French passport very soon, so he shouldn't take a non-EU spot ... Anyway, didn't the FIGC decide to change again the rule and give 2 non-EU spots again ?You missed my point, Geo...
About Ganso, it looks like we're going to give him up because of his new injury. It seems he'll be out for 3 months this time, and that is too much to invest 30+M, that means the guy will have been out for almost 12 months (when he'll come back) ...
ANother great talent killed by injuries ?
But doesn't Messi usually fail with his NT and offers bad/average performances for Argentine despite being one of the best, if not the best, player in the world ? Same can also be said for Cristiano Ronaldo ...
IMO, games with the NT aren't that important, of course, they can give confidence to a player, of course they can show how solid mentally a player is, but they aren't a way to rate players as with NT, you play one game once a while, and you aren't used to your partners, which can be a problem. If the guys around you don't play well or your coach doesn't know you well enough to use you in your best position, there aren't many things you can do ... It's why I don't really use NT games to rate players. And I think players from clubs like Palermo or Napoli have a lot of pressure, almost as much as in the biggest Italian clubs because their fans are quite "hot" ...
Messi and Cristano didn´t produce at NT, but you forgot that they already play for a BIG team, unlike Pastore. If Pastore was playing bad at Argentine but tearing up at Bayern Munich, I would be more relaxed of to pay huge money for him. But until today he´s playing( a few) great games at Palermo. You can´t compare his case with Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi...
Regarding the second bold part, can´t agree. It´s a totaly different world. In my opinion the type of pressure can´t be compared. It happened a lot in Brazil and I believe that around the world too. The amount of great prospects that explode here at middle/small clubs playing amazing football and when are purchased by big teams like São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians fail to show the same level, is huge!
Maybe is because I don´t rate Pastore as most here, but names like Suazo, Perea, Gila came to my mind...
So why are we to believe Ganso is a better bet at the same price? Pastore accomplished more in argentine clausura than Ganso did in league. He had a midling Hurcan team 1 point off the title as a 19 year old.
Not shining with Argentina is subjective too. He's shined more than Ganso who has barely played for Brazil and really only in friendlies v. usa etc. PAstore has really only been used as a sub because depth of argentina's attack is best in world (the rest of team... no, but attack yeT).
Eitherway he's lead Palermo, both good and bad. When he was good they were top 4, when off, they fell. His numbers speak for themselves, his play speaks for itself.
I wouldn't pay HUGE zamperini money for Pastore, buuut if it was him v. ganso for same price, i think it's a no brainer because Ganso's injuries are REALLY worrying and cause Pastore has done it in serie A
