(05-05-2011, 04:49 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: I don't think people are over rating Barcelona, as they are really a great side and is a level above everyone else at the moment.
I never doubt Barca's quality since they are just great. No need words to tell about how they great they are now. But saying this team the greatest is out of proportion IMO since the greatest in my term should be more than what Barca have/did. As I said, they have only the best on Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
(05-05-2011, 04:49 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: The key about Barcelona is that, they have someone who is among the best of all time. As great as Sheva, Pippo, Rui Costa, Kaka were, they are no where near what Messi is doing today. Of course the duo of Cap and Nesta are one of the greatest pair of CB ever too. Some of their supporting cast are also best in the world, D. alves is the best RB in the world, Pique and Pugol are one of the best CBs duo, Xavi and Inesta are the best Mid duo and Villa is the best finisher in the game today.
I don't think Messi is the way you described. Words like 'nowhere near Messi' have no base IMO since Sheva was one of the best striker in the world in his best time while Rui Costa was one of the best playmaker (if both not the best in their position in the time they have peak performance). From games I watched Messi, I still give more points for Ronaldinho, a player who could dictate the game by himself, not like Messi who really needs 1-3 players so that he can show his best (of course Ronaldinho also needs players but not the way like Messi does).
Their CBs are not the best in the world right now, so are the fullbacks (Alves is very good fullback but I don't think he is the best right fullback now. The point it is not only 'the best on the position' but also 'the best in generations' which forces certain standard. And Alves is not the player who match the standard IMO). The defenders are good and helped by how Barca played (all moves in almost same time forward and backward as a system, either it is a defender or a striker giving tight space among the players). Villa is great striker but still many can match him or better than him but ok he is one of the best right now. GK is just ok. Their DMs' quality we can find in other teams easily.
(05-05-2011, 04:49 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: You compare the Milan of 2005 and this Barcelona, but even if Milan won the CL that year, they still did not dominate the Serie A like what Barcelona is doing currently. Teams might not be as great now
as then in 2005 but Barcelona still deserves credits for what they have been doing over the past three
years.
Well, coach has also influence on the team. We can see what Ancelotti's team in that time that we are 'so weak' against small team, not that we couldn't beat them but we had problem with 'ego'. The players need to know that they face similar quality team to give their best. Other part is of course that we didn't count Serie A as important as CL. We shouldn't also forget the qualities of other Serie A clubs and La Liga. Too much gap in La Liga compared to Serie A.
I don't doubt the quality of Barca as a team and I give credit for them since they are, as like I said, just a great team.
(05-05-2011, 04:49 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: They are great team lead by the best player since Maradona. Are they the greatest team ever, that depends, but to me, I don't think there will be one team that could say they are the greatest team ever, as competitions will always be different between generations.
Well, actually before Guiordiola, Rijkaard already built the team. And I still see the Rijkaard team (even some of players are same ones) are stiil match with Guiordiola's team (Deco vs Iniesta, Ronaldinho vs Messi, etc).
I know Barca is great team now but many reasons influence how people see Barca. Barca is not unbeatable. With some transfers we can match their quality.
(05-05-2011, 05:32 PM)abbeyleemania Wrote: You are underrating Boateng and what he did for us until now... Him and Robinho are the most important pieces of our 4-3-1-2 this season... He is physically very strong...a beast... His high pressing, being a wall and use his body well to make spaces for others...Whenever he got the ball, he plays very quick, 1-2 pass...He plays fast, never plays with the ball too much...He helps others too much...i agree with every point that Ca and 1983 talked about him...
I don't underrate what he has been doing with Milan as I my self know and realize that Boateng and Robinho have been playing well and been significant for us in Serie A. We can see it when we played without Boateng, we found difficulty to play as a system since we missed the connection between midfield and forward. So is what Robinho did for Milan. But that shouldn't ignore us to evaluate Boateng weakness part, something I discussed in my previous post. I like Boateng, Robinho but they are IMO (at least for this season level of their performances), not the main figures who can bring us to glory. They can be a part of the team but we should have main figures to lead the team to the one of the best team in the world IF we really want to achieve success again in Champions League.
(05-05-2011, 06:15 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: This barca team doesn't compare to sacchi/capello milans. Those Milan sides never had to resort to cheating
LOL
Agree. This cheating, moaning and similar things from Barca are arguably the best in the world. Real Madrid could match Barcelona, probably.
"When Costacurta and Maldini won they didn't celebrate much. They were thinking about winning the next game" - Alessandro Nesta
