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RE: Winter mercato 2024 - xudong - 05-23-2024
I am jealous of Atalanta to be honest. You can claim that they have some great players but talent wise we are close if not better. But they play so much better as a team.
We just don't have a good coach and it is so obvious that a blind man can see it. Yet Pioli was able to keep his job until now.
And then Fonseca is the new guy? Out of all the options, why did they choose the worst one? I hope I am wrong, but I feel that next season is already over before it even starts.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - Arildonardo - 05-23-2024
(05-23-2024, 02:39 AM)Zio Fester Wrote: Sky: Milan have finally informed Stefano Pioli of the decision to part ways with him at the end of the season. The management have chosen Paulo Fonseca to replace Pioli who will join on a 3 year contract for less money than was offered by Lille and Marseille.
Lol he will get paid less than in France. Broke Gerry truly is broke.
Why pay more if they can agree on less??
Anyway, Fonseca was not the coach I wanted. But let's hope it works out somehow if it becomes a reality.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - reza - 05-23-2024
Lille are not less broke than us, it doesn't matter any way cause paying a lot for coaches is over rated. There are a handful of coaches that may deserve big money the rest shouldn't even the ownership is not broke.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - nefremo - 05-23-2024
(05-23-2024, 12:36 AM)slifersd1 Wrote: Their lack of ambition is pretty obvious to me. The players they sign, the coach they hire and the overall structure of the club do not scream "we are trying everything we can to win trophies" to me. Instead, it feels much more like they are content with getting to CL every year to keep the revenue rolling. After the Scudetto win, we should have invested heavily into improving the team talent level to make a real run to become a dominant force in Serie A. Instead, we decided to keep investment low (despite a huge inflow of revenue) and regressed since then. Every time we need to spend big money, we have to sell someone to finance it. That's not a team trying to win on the field, that's a team trying to win on the balance sheets. Sure, they are not taking money out of Milan, yet. But that's mostly because there aren't much profit there to take, since Italian clubs mostly still run in red every year due to low revenue level. If Milan get to the revenue level of an EPL team, i bet you money Cardinale is going to take the profit out of the club
Part of the reason I said what I said is because I am also familiar with American ownerships like this. I have seen this movie played out many times in American sports nowadays. From baseball to football to basketball, these "smart" ownerships decided their mighty algorithm is more important than on field results. Ask the Yankees how many championships their analytical front office has won in the last 15 years. Every time Cardinale opens his mouth, he sounds like a hedge fund manager talking about a random stock in his portfolio instead of a fan of the club looking to win championships.
Got it. Thanks for explaining. I guess we'll see what happens when there is more profit and if they actually start taking it out of the club. Not saying you are wrong and I understand your concerns. I have them too. But let's see if it happens. At the moment, it's not happening. And IMO, what we are seeing is not "lack of ambition", but "lack of funds". And I can live with that, as they are running the club like a business and trying to grow it organically. I've come to a realization that the Milan of old, the glory days of Berlu, are gone. As long as we can be self-sustainable and smart with our decisions, use the brand to grow, we'll be among the top teams every year, and win titles (likely not every year). We just likely won't dazzle the world and win CLs for fun like we used to. It is what it is. It's better than overextending ourselves, drown in debt, and finish midtable in Serie A with the likes of Poli, Bertolacci and Paletta on the field.
(05-23-2024, 03:30 AM)ACM2023 Wrote: I am jealous of Atalanta to be honest. You can claim that they have some great players but talent wise we are close if not better. But they play so much better as a team.
We just don't have a good coach and it is so obvious that a blind man can see it. Yet Pioli was able to keep his job until now.
And then Fonseca is the new guy? Out of all the options, why did they choose the worst one? I hope I am wrong, but I feel that next season is already over before it even starts.
Come on Xu. Jealous of Atalanta? Don't be caught up in the moment my friend. They have won 1 title in their entire history. As a matter of fact, currently, we ARE Atalanta (at a bigger scale). There are many similarities between the clubs the last several years. Sad for us as Milan fans, but think about it. They won a title this year, but hadn't won one in a long time (or ever). We won the Scudetto 2 years ago, and now hovering in the top 4. Same as them, really, and they're likely to continue that.
They play "good" football....but what's "good" football? People forget they've actually lost more games than Milan this season and are finishing the season behind us. They've scored less goal then Milan. They've lost every final they've ever played in (apart for a Copa Italia 60 years ago).
People forget they sell their stars every summer. We sold Tonali, and people were ready to riot. Their coach failed at Inter. The guy we are about to hire " failed" at Roma (debatable), and we are about to riot. They lost 3 Copa Italia finals under Gasp, we lost a semi final and a super league against Inter, and people want to riot.
To be clear, I don't take these "riots" as negative. It's actually good. It's good to be upset and demand more from the club. But my point here is Atalanta and I'm just saying all this to show the similarities of the situations....YET, the different perception of the situations. Total opposite ends of the spectrum, yet still, the same.
The same philosophy is followed by both teams...that being, get your accounts in order first, then go into the market.
So why jealous? Atalanta is just as likely to finish out of the CL spots next year as they are to repeat a title season again. It's what you get with this type of philosophy. There simply isn't enough continuity and funding to keep the success going. So you'll have some great seasons and some ok ones. Every year Gasp complains that there is lack of ambition there. Every year he has showdown talks with the owner. This summer is no different.
I want us to NOT be in the Atalanta model. I wanna get away from that. Where we are able to offer 10m a year to our top players and keep them, along with bringing in others at that quality level. Problem is, I just don't think it'll happen with this ownership. At least not until we own a stadium and the revenues are >€500M.
I know I'm in the minority here. But I don't think the future is doom and gloom, even with Fonseca. I think we have a great base of players. I am prepared (note, I don't want to, but I'm prepared for it) to lose one of our starters. I'm hoping that won't be Theo or Leao (I'm fed up with Leao, but I want to see what he does under a different coach). The rest are replaceable. But with smart additions, I think we can improve on our season. Is it the ambition of Milan as it was back in the day (to win the Scudetto and the CL). Reality says otherwise. But if Atalanta can win the EL, Dortmund can be in the CL final, this Leverkusen can mop the floor with the Bundesliga, then anything is possible with smart and efficient work.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - ACM1899 - 05-23-2024
New home kits are out. If anyone wanted to see them online..
I like the classic look but there is a white area on the side I have to see in full to make my final decision
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - nefremo - 05-23-2024
(05-23-2024, 02:35 PM)ACM1899 Wrote: New home kits are out. If anyone wanted to see them online..
I like the classic look but there is a white area on the side I have to see in full to make my final decision
I like them overall. I don't mind the white onth3 side as much as the white collar. I wish that was black.
The other thing is the back. The all red forces you to get a player name/number there. I haven't gotten a jersey with a player's name since Sheva and I'll never do it again. So I'll probably buy the jersey. But it'll look weird with the empty red box in the back
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - Zio Fester - 05-23-2024
Sempremilan: Maignan is set to miss the final game of the season against Salernitana thanks to a finger injury. The injury will only add to some of the exasperation around Maignan and his injury record this season, which has been extensive for a goalkeeper. Given the transfer speculation around him, it is not implausible that he has played his last game for the club.
Is there a more injury prone GK in world football?
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - nefremo - 05-23-2024
(05-23-2024, 03:05 PM)Zio Fester Wrote: Sempremilan: Maignan is set to miss the final game of the season against Salernitana thanks to a finger injury. The injury will only add to some of the exasperation around Maignan and his injury record this season, which has been extensive for a goalkeeper. Given the transfer speculation around him, it is not implausible that he has played his last game for the club.
Is there a more injury prone GK in world football?
Should have gone for De Gregorio and sell Mike. Although at this point, I really doubt there is a market for Mike. I don't see any top team spending big on a GK this summer so we're likely "stuck" with him. And if he keeps demanding this huge salary increase that's been rumored, then we'll be between a rock and a hard place next summer when he'll only have 1 year left on his contract.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - Bennacer - 05-23-2024
Theo close to Bayern says the rumours. I dont know how credible this is. A stronger source says That Al Hilal will go for Leao. minimnum 100 million and a salary of 23 million euros a year.
RE: Winter mercato 2024 - nefremo - 05-23-2024
Theo-Bayern rumors have been going on for a while. There's been as many "Bayern has locked Theo" headlines as there have been "Milan will not sell Theo". Just a matter of which one you believe.
I personally would make Theo the highest paid player and extend his contract. That'll likely need to be in the 7-8M/year (net) category. He is worth it and other clubs will offer him that. So IF WE KNOW that we can't do that, then at least don't lose him for free and don't repeat the same mistakes we've made in the past.
Of course, I don't want this and I hope it doesn't happen. But I'd be even more pissed if the club negotiates his extension for another year and a half stating "confidence filters in Milan-Theo extension talks", all the while fully knowing that we can't meet (or won't) his demands, and then lose him for free.