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RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - neikel - 12-31-2013
I think Perin is still young, AC Milan shouldn't have two young goal keepers at the same time. AC Milan need a guy have experiences. Or AC Milan could let Gabriel out and let Perin in, it's ok.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - Beppe - 12-31-2013
Gabriel can go, he aint good enough. We should get Perin and keep abbiati as backup.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - xudong - 12-31-2013
(12-31-2013, 04:56 PM)neikel Wrote: I think Perin is still young, AC Milan shouldn't have two young goal keepers at the same time. AC Milan need a guy have experiences. Or AC Milan could let Gabriel out and let Perin in, it's ok.
I agree that having two young keepers simultaneously are too much a risk, which is why I also think that we should have Abbiati for one more year, and choose between Gabriel and Perin (or any new one that we set eye on). and I honestly don't know how to judge who is better, Perin or Gabriel. But Gabriel doesn't seem to be cool/composed enough, and his recklessness has already cost us some games.
Just saw this. Now I think Galliani should get Perin asap. :d
Tuesday December 31 2013
Zoff: 'Perin is Buffon's heir'
By Football Italia staff
Italy legend Dino Zoff believes Mattia Perin “will be the heir” to Gigi Buffon, who remains “the best goalkeeper in the world.”
The 1982 World Cup winner cast his eye over the current shot-stopper situation in the Azzurri camp.
“Buffon is the best goalkeeper in Italy, in Europe and also in the world,” Zoff told the Corriere dello Sport.
“Andrea Consigli and Antonio Mirante are also very talented, but they are no longer particularly young.
“If I have to choose an heir to Gigi in the Nazionale, I’d pick Perin of Genoa. The future belongs to him.”
Perin turned 21 last month, but has been consistently ignored by the Italy Under-21 side in favour of Livorno’s Francesco Bardi.
http://www.football-italia.net/43287/zoff-perin-buffons-heir
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - ElMago99 - 12-31-2013
(12-31-2013, 11:32 AM)Beppe Wrote: [undefined=undefined] Massimiliano Allegri admits “it’s my last Christmas at Milan and the last four months were disastrous.”[/undefined]
No shit. I wonder why?
Quote:“In 2014 we are focusing on a great Champions League campaign. I am confident, even though Sulley Muntari and Riccardo Montolivo will be suspended for the first leg against Atletico Madrid.True, and I don't want to under=emphasize the goal that never was, but the brand of football we played under Allegri was awful.
“Plus there is the Coppa Italia to play for and in the League third place is a long way off, but we’ll do everything possible.”
In another interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport, Allegri acknowleged this is his final term at San Siro.
“I could’ve been the Coach who earned Milan’s second star, their 20th Scudetto. A phantom goal played a decisive role in my second Rossoneri season. We were not very lucky.”
Quote:“The real regret is that I never had all the players at my disposal. The first choice full-backs were practically never available at the same time. We didn’t make mistakes in the medical staff, as we consulted with some of the best specialists in the world and it makes me angry that our doctors are under attack.
Then whose fault is it. You can't blame nearly 3 years of injuries on bad luck. It's impossible we had bad luck w injuries for 3 years. It's someones fault. Someone needs to be accountable for it. Training methods or Doctors. Galliani supposedly did an investigation but nothing came of it (of course)
Quote:“I have always worked with enthusiasm and will continue right to the end. Why am I leaving? I decided the day it was made official I’d remain for one more season. I liked the idea of staying and finishing the job, but four years in one club is a long time.”
umm.. they were too cheap to sack you. And that's why you stayed.
Quote:Clarence Seedorf is heavily tipped to be Allegri’s successor, despite having no management experience.
“I don’t know who will be the next Milan Coach and it’s not my problem. I can be certain this is my last Christmas at Milan, but I got there despite many people doubting I’d manage that.
“Seedorf gave a great deal in his penultimate season at Milan. He’s a great player, but I’d have loved to work with him when he was 28 rather than 35.”
You had the best team in Serie A that year by 10 miles the year you won Scudetto. And Seedorf's last season wasn't good, and he didn't even want to say goodbye to the fans out of embarrassment. Everyone else said goodbye and he went into lockeroom.
Quote:There are other new arrivals, as Keisuke Honda and Adil Rami have joined from CSKA Moscow and Valencia respectively.
“I think they were good buys. The club is working well, is building the team also for next season so that we won’t need too many adjustments.
They weren't buys. They were signed for free. We went for whoever was free. PERIOD.
Quote:“As for Balotelli, this year will be good for his future. He will improve a great deal, has enormous potential and will also be crucial for the World Cup.”
Allegri was asked about rumours he is the favourite to take over from Cesare Prandelli on the Italy bench after Brazil 2014.
As expected, Milan have parted company with director of sport Ariedo Braida after 27 years at the club.
It is a huge break, as Braida has been at Milanello for 27 years in various capacities.
His exit is the sign of a new era opening up under Barbara Berlusconi, who became joint-CEO with Adriano Galliani this month. Braida has been linked with future jobs at other football clubs, including Sampdoria and Monaco.
Thank god. This guy is a compete disaster and makes Allegri look good.
(12-31-2013, 01:49 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: Am I too pessimistic to think we still (hashtag still) have no real plan ,I'm 110% certain our MGT owner would love to win more trophies but because of our owner we cant...theres no investment not even reasonable and the precious money we had was spent on Matri Zapata this past summer thats €17 million..Zapata isnt the worst investment but Matri holy shitballs bros it was awful and its not as if it backfired we knew hed be crap.
Honda good addition Rami im optomistic about.And Im not saying id of prefered to have paid big for them..but our plan is still Free Cheap Troublesome.
Nainggolan may or may not arrive.Hes not what we need but will be better than Noce Poli Muntari.
Well they lied to Leo Ibra Cassano so I think theyll lie again...besides Abate DES Zapata Monty DeJong Rami Honda Poli Kaka SES PAZZO Balo ,Id want everyone else gone...i dont include Niang Gabriel Cristante Saponara as those id get rid of..i want them to stay
Milan is owned by a politician. What do they do best? Lie. They've been lying to players and fans alike for years. It's difficult for me to get too involved in the team knowing this.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - Gabriel426 - 01-01-2014
Dev, I think and I also believe that when Ibra was signed, Milan was not planning to sell him after two seasons. They were planning to have him on the team for a few more yrs bc he is someone who is capable of making a differences. Also, I don't think there are any team that is willing to pay for Ibra after Milan. Ofcourse, PSG did jut that but at the time of Ibra in Milan, PSG had crappy owners.
I thnk Milan was going to build the team around Ibra, Silva, Pato and Abate. Bc whats better way to ensure your team to be competitive during transitional yrs by having someone like Ibra upfront and Silva at the back.
The sale of these two is beyond me. AS Milan only finished 2nd in the league and made it to the QF of CL. Yet, the direction that Berlu, Galliani or whoever took that summer was beyond any pundits or fans. They could have sold Robinho, Mexes, Pato, Boateng and even Nocerino that summer. Alomg with Nesta, Slowdorf, Gattuso, Pippo and MVB leaving, thats a ton of wages save.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - ACMILAN1983 - 01-01-2014
I've been listening to a couple of Beyond the Pitch podcasts of late and wanted to recommend a couple to posters here.
The first is an analysis of mostly Italian football with Gabriel Marcotti, where the first 5-10 minutes are mainly about Milan, the last 5-10 minutes on FFP and then a short segment that's pretty interesting about Cardiff owner Tan:
http://www.beyondthepitch.net/podcasts/edition/index.cfm/beyond-the-pitch/2013/12/27/gabriele-marcotti/
There's not much in the podcast about Milan that hasn't been posted here before, but an interesting listen nonetheless. One thing that struck me was Marcotti saying this about Barbara "...from people that know her, I don't think she's just a ditz and airhead, and had she had real power, she would hire good people to run the club". It struck me because I've posted a couple of times on the forum that I think she's more intelligent than we assume, citing that she's very well educated and I've complemented her on how she managed to push Galliani to the brink. There's a tendency to judge her based on her history with Pato, the fact that she is Silvio's daughter and that she's a woman. However, if a guy like Marcotti, who is one of the most respected football journalists today is saying we shouldn't dismiss her, then people should take notice. If he knows people who know her, then we're probably talking about directors and executives in Milan, as let's not forget that this is the guy who said that Gandini told him that the management of the club was old, not too long before all hell broke loose in Milan.
The other podcast is about Serie A with discussions about club transfer projects. The expert this time is Owen Neilson, who is a Serie A commentator for various channels. I'm not his biggest fan (i.e. I don't hold him in high regard like Marcotti or Jonathan Wilson), but it's an interesting discussion:
http://www.beyondthepitch.net/podcasts/edition/index.cfm/beyond-the-pitch/2013/12/24/owen-neilson/
(01-01-2014, 09:58 AM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Dev, I think and I also believe that when Ibra was signed, Milan was not planning to sell him after two seasons. They were planning to have him on the team for a few more yrs bc he is someone who is capable of making a differences. Also, I don't think there are any team that is willing to pay for Ibra after Milan. Ofcourse, PSG did jut that but at the time of Ibra in Milan, PSG had crappy owners.
I thnk Milan was going to build the team around Ibra, Silva, Pato and Abate. Bc whats better way to ensure your team to be competitive during transitional yrs by having someone like Ibra upfront and Silva at the back.
The sale of these two is beyond me. AS Milan only finished 2nd in the league and made it to the QF of CL. Yet, the direction that Berlu, Galliani or whoever took that summer was beyond any pundits or fans. They could have sold Robinho, Mexes, Pato, Boateng and even Nocerino that summer. Alomg with Nesta, Slowdorf, Gattuso, Pippo and MVB leaving, thats a ton of wages save.
You state exactly why it was a poor decision to buy him in the first place. We reached our targets and therefore financially we couldn't really have done much better. Yet in the end we quite desperately looked to sell him and Thiago Silva (as they say "to balance the books"). Thiago Silva I can understand it was just a case of we were offered money which Berlu and Galliani couldn't refuse, but Ibra's case was us looking to offload him, as we essentially admitted we couldn't pay his salary. If that's the case, then someone's messed up their maths quite badly, as those costs should have been identified much earlier, before signing him. It's not like the FFP suddenly sprung up and we decided we had to change, we were one of the clubs who requested it in the first place!
Now, even if the management had planned to build the side around Ibra during transition, which in all honesty I don't think is the case, then we still didn't make smart choices. Firstly, I say Ibra wasn't bought on for the transition because if I'm correct he was signed on just a 3 year contract, but more importantly, Galliani has said publicly that it was the senior players who requested Ibra, I believe for one last push to win something.
Let's say hypothetically that was the case though, then why do you build a side around a player whose come in at 29? By the time the old guard were ready to move on Ibra was 30. History has shown us that most forwards decline badly at the age of 30, so building around one isn't the smartest thing to do as we could never have predicted that he'd be able to continue as he has. Instead, it would have made more sense if we aimed to get someone around 25-26.
That said, I don't think we we could have maintained competitiveness during transition years, even with Ibra, because we just left it so late to change the old guard and the amount of work required to rebuild became all the more harder.
Ultimately, I think however you look at it, from a management perspective there's little sense in what we've been doing, including the Ibra transfer. I think the sale of the two stars is beyond everyone, especially knowing we've kept expensive sub-par players instead. We seem to make snap decisions without much thought in recent years. These decisions aren't made following any sort of plan, but it seems mostly reactionary to things ongoing.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - Gabriel426 - 01-02-2014
Can see your point but to me, the way Ibra plays, he is can be effective till 33 or so. Just look at him now.
THe thing is, having Ibra and Silva with players like Boateng, Nocerino, Abate, Zapata, Constant, Monty, Muntari, DeJong, SES, Pato or whoever is a lot better without them.
When I said building around Ibra during the transition years, I think it made sense. Simle bc he got the talents and he is a proven winner, while Milan can slowly rebuild the squad without being a mid table side like now. Lets face it, if it was not for SES and Mario last season, Milan would have been a mid table side like now.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - ACMILAN1983 - 01-02-2014
You might be right Gabriel, but ultimately it's a case of what could have been rather than reality, still leaving us scratching our heads about what actually happened.
On Milannews, I've read that Cristante is wanted by Cagliari (as part of the Nainggolan deal) and Verona, who have someone leaving and want a replacement, as well as Spezia (Devis Mangia's new club). It mentions we might go for Jorginho from Verona, though it looks unlikely.
Funniest story is we're after Koke from Atletico Madrid, whose market value probably isn't lower than 20m and is wanted by some big clubs around Europe, apparently including Bayern.
A quick question off topic, but has anyone read Soccer: Modern Tactics: Italy's Top Coaches Analyze Game Formations Through 180 Situations? It's a book I ordered recently and was wondering if anyone had comments on it. Apparently it's got some good tactical analysis from Arrigo Sacchi (Milan, Italian National Team), Marcello Lippi (Napoli, Inter, Juventus), Walter Novellino (Venezia, Napoli, Piacenza), Carlo Ancelotti (Parma, Juventus) and Renzo Ulivieri (Parma) and is also recommended to budding coaches (not my reason for wanting it).
It's highly recommended by ZonalMarking.net, which is one reason I got it:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/bibliography/
I have to admit I'm mostly just concerned about the English translation.
EDIT: Just read on Corriere Dello Sport that the Jorginho transfer might be as an alternative to Nainggolan, as they're proving to be difficult negotiations. Personally I don't understand why we should get one or the other, as both are different players and needed for different reasons. In addition though, I don't see why we'd view Jorginho as an alternative to Nainggolan, as personally I'd sooner take Jorginho than Nainggolan.
I forgot to post them earlier, but I came across a few interesting articles of late on guardian. When researching a little on the book I mentioned before, I came across this about Sacchi from when he took charge of the Italy youth set up last year (or 2 years ago now?):
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/nov/22/arrigo-sacchi-milan-italy
Some points which caught my eye are...
- He doesn't feel the modern offside law prevents his tactical set up working in the game today, as he says you need players who read the game well. I've said multiple times we need intelligent players for their ability to work in complex tactical set ups.
- His comment on youth becoming specialists in the modern game is true. One thing that I've always felt is our most successful youth were always very well balanced players. Maldini, Costacurta and Baresi were all excellent technical players even though they were defenders. Likewise, Gullit was an attacker at Milan, but started his career in defence and moved back there during his time at Chelsea. Maldini on the other hand was an attacker when young if I'm correct and moved further back over the years.
- I like his comment about a player's position isn't determined by an opponent, but his teammates. This is something which teams often lose sight of and the structure will break down as opponents understand how to open opponents up. The prime example for me is Benfica back in the 1990 final, where the two CBs always followed their man. As our two forwards moved wide a gap formed between them for Rijkaard to drive through and score, showing how letting the opponent pull you out of position can be disastrous.
The other articles are Jonathan Wilson's tactical review of 2013. The first particularly caught my eye as he talks about how 4-4-2 has come back into fashion in the last year or two. As I've been hoping for us using 4-4-2 for 2 years now, I'm sure it's understandable that this would strike a chord with me personally:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/dec/27/tactical-review-strike-partnerships
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/30/jonathan-wilson-tactical-review-of-2013
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - ACMILAN1983 - 01-03-2014
Suprised there's no activity on this thread since I posted yesterday. At least other parts of the forum seem more active.
Anyway, I'm not posting more links to random articles or podcasts
I'm just here to give an update on the latest transfer news.- Tuttosport claims Milan are now reconsidering the purchase of Nainggolan and putting more effort into getting Jorginho. Part of the reason for this is Berlusconi and Seedorf (highly touted as the next coach) aren't convinced Nainggolan is worth the money we'd spend on him and Jorginho's a better playmaker, which is needed. About Jorginho, Fiorentina and Zenit are seriously interested, but with Sogliano most likely to be at Milan in the summer, he'd help facilitate the move.
Personally, I don't disagree. I'm a fan of Nainggolan but the cost he's coming at is pretty insane. 7m plus half of Cristante (who I've made clear I don't want sold in any way) means we're spending roughly 10m for half of him. To own him fully would cost 20m. I like the player and think he'd offer us a balance we're missing, but at most his value is 15m and I think that's high.
As for Jorginho, I've been saying this guy should be bought a long time now, irregardless of the Nainggolan deal and if necessary instead of Nainggolan, so I'd much rather see us miss out on Nainggolan if one isn't to come to Milan.
I've also read that Galliani has a verbal agreement for Nainggolan with Cellino, but is waiting for the go ahead from above (Silvio) before the deal can be concluded.
Before moving on, I just want to say that while I'm interested in Sogliano coming as Director of Sport, I hope we've not lost all hope on Maldini. We still need one person with extremely good knowledge of the sport and club to really oversee the sporting culture and philosophy of the club. I'm not sure Sogliano can offer that.
- D'Ambrosio is closer to other clubs (Inter most recently linked, but Roma most likely), but we have a few players of interest that could swing the deal in our favour, mainly Saponara (going on loan), Nocerino or Birsa. Constant's also been mentioned in the past. I would rather keep Saponara and try to give him games, but wouldn't mind a swap with one of the other names mentioned.
- Parolo, a supposed Milan target, is most likely going to be a Roma player, either this market or in the summer. Personally I don't care.
- We're still linked with a swap between Matri and Kuzmanovic of Inter. Honestly, I want neither, it would be another Antonini - Birsa deal. I wouldn't do it, we should just try to sell Matri outright.
RE: Winter Mercato 2014 - nefremo - 01-03-2014
Dev, when you get that book please let me know what the translation is like. I have looked into that book a few times but the language throws me off. I would live to read it though if the translation is good.
Also, do you know if Carlo's new book has English translation yet? The only ones I can find are in Italian. Supposedly Carlo throws a lot of his tactical knowledge in there along with man management.
About the market, like I've said before.....Radja is a great player I think. I don't want to object on buying him...but I truly feel like this team needs a vertical, explosive dribbler more then anything. Having said that, Radja will be an upgrade so it's hard to pass on him, however the deal of 7 mil plus half of Cristante for 50% means that the valuation is 17-18 mil or even more. Somewhere along the lines we will get screwed by either losing Cristante, or having to pay a further 7-8 mil for Radja PLUS money to get Cristante back.
This whole operation will cost us at least 16/17 mil of cash or young players lost and I'm not sure it's worth it. If we have that kind of money I'd rather buy a different type of player. But Radja is quality so I'm not going to complain. Maybe a a different quality then I think we need, but quality nonetheless and that's always welcome.
About Jorginho, I haven't seen enough to comment. I've only seen the kid play twice so I don't know how good he is.