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RE: Summer mercato 2012 - russo-neri - 03-20-2012
(03-20-2012, 05:04 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: First off, I don't know why some of you believe that Juve is on the verge of their dynasty, since their best players are all older than Milan best players.
Secondly, Even if they sign Robben and Torres and Milan sign nobody this summer. Milan is still a better team than them. Robben is only good the 5 months prior to big Int'l tournament, I know I made a joke about that earlier but it is a fact. He is usually injured the year after playing for Dutch in the summer. I know Torres got two goals over the weekend, but he is still far from being the best one on one striker he was at Pool.
Thirdly, they do have an advantage with their stadium, but I doubt Berlu will just sit tight and do nothing once Juve is banking in money.
Lastly, Juve might be doing well now but I doubt this squad can continue their run till the end of the year and they ain't equipped to fight on both CL and Serie A.
My thoughts on the future Juve dynasty stem from the fact that they have a revenue stream that other Serie A teams do not (stadium). When you take into account FFP, Juve have very likely placed themselves in a situation where they will be able to outspend everone in the yearS (plural) ahead. Over time, if they start and then keep outspending everyone, you would assume they would have a very competitive squad - maybe not next year but a few years from now.
Your third point is my hope. That Berlu and other Serie A owners will see the cash that Juve are pulling in and make plans of their own to buy state of the art stadiums, which Serie A desperately needs. Unfortunately, we might have to see a few years of Juve dominance before Berlu actually pulls the trigger on a state of the art stadium deal.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - WCmilan - 03-20-2012
Who cares about juve, no matter how good they get we will still be able to compete with them so enough..
btw , ederson geat signing as it seems pretty much done from now already.. yes i agree we should steal torres he can probably be bought on the cheap (or at least cheaper then his price was 1,2 years ago)
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - will4li - 03-21-2012
Ederson! I got to find a video of him.if that's true,everybody can forget hernanes though.we have more urgent use for that 20 million.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - mihan - 03-21-2012
It's interesting to talk about Juve who have their own stadium, which is not typical Italian, but play too typical Italian football, not very attractive. Their stadium and style of play equally contributed to their low attendence rate. Now a new stadium and some hope of trophies bring them cash flow, though their style has never changed. I'll bite my tongue and save my jealousy here. The same goes to the world seeing Italian football. New stadiums won't change the culture and style of play. Coefficient on Europa league comparing to the revenue is just the ugly conspiracy Platini sabotages EPL and Serie A, as the two Spanish giants have too much money.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - ZvonimirBoban - 03-21-2012
(03-20-2012, 05:16 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Serie A is falling behind German League and letting the French and Portugal league getting close has nothing to do with top teams. Rather it is the mentality of tanking in Europa and teams like Samp and Udin last two yrs who just did not seem to care about making it to CL. I really don't see why Teams in other leagues actually treat Europa with respect while Serie A teams just don't.
There is Samp which just pretty much gave up their next season after fighting hard to get into CL. I have no respect to Udin as they lost against an Arsenal team that got trashed 8-0 and pretty much did not have any quality midfielders. Overall, I think the mentality of these IT teams really need to change or else it won't be long before Serie A losing another place.
On another note, I would actually like Serie A to lose another spot, that way it forces Berlu to spend money and make sure Milan is able to finish 1 st or 2 nd.
We are all (including me) like to make speculations or assumptions about how Serie A teams not taking it seriously in Europa League. But how if that is not the case? How if that they simply don't have the quality? How if we will, in next 2 or 3 years, always be a champion in a weak league, not because we are strong, but becauso our opponents are actually weak?
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Gabriel426 - 03-21-2012
First of all, as long as Milan wins the league and win the CL once in every few years. I really don't mind if Serie A is a weak league.
Secondly, Serie A as a whole is a very crappy product compare to the EPL, Liga, and even Bude. I am not talking about the quality of the teams but just the quality as a product. Say all you want about Serie A being the most tactical and technical league....and true fans of football would enjoy Serie A more than the speed of EPL or Liga....Truth is 90% of the people who pay and watches football on TV ain't true fans of soccer, heck, some of them might not even play the game before. They watch it for ENTERTAINMENT, for GOALS, for STARS. As of now, EPL is the byfar the most entertaining league in the world and it is fair that EPL gets the most TV revenue of all the top leagues.
Liga is entertaining only if one of the teams is Barca or Real due to their star appeal and BRAND.
German league is just behind but they style of play is still more exciting than Serie A.
Some of you might say Serie A got stars and Milan, Inter, Juve and even Roma is a Brand... Fact is, ever since Kaka left and the decline of Totti and Dinho, there is not a true and recognizable star in Serie A. Just look at all the commericals of Nike, Addias and Puma. How many of those players are from Serie A in comparsion to EPL, Liga and German League.
Thats just one of the many problems Serie A has.
As a whole, a lot has to change in order for Serie A to be a competitive product to EPL, Liga and German League. Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - ACMILAN1983 - 03-21-2012
russo-neri, Juve next season are very much an enigma and it's too early to call as to how good they'll be. This season, they've used their resources well, but are still a team that's shown up it's weaknesses, as is evident in their numerous draws.
A lot of Juve fans want a top class forward (thinking this will make them a great side), but the issue stems from deeper and the inability to open up teams, relying mostly on Pirlo to make a killing pass. More worryingly for Juve, Conte's built his side around Pirlo, but questionmarks must be raised as to how long Pirlo can maintain this level of performance when he's fast approaching his mid-30s in a side that's heavily reliant on it's pressing.
Talking about signing Nesta is a massive joke too. Juve press and they like to press high. Nesta's 36 and has lost most of his pace. Seriously, if they sign him to play in this system, then they're in for a disaster.
Finally, their biggest problem is fatigue. This season they've really only had to worry about the league. Yet, everybody's already saying that physically they're struggling to keep up the early season pace now, and we're still only in March with 2 months to play. Next season they'll be in CL and as we know, it's a tournament that is physically and mentally draining more than any other. As Napoli have shown this season, it's very difficult to manage the league and CL and that's a Napoli side with players (Cavani and Lavezzi) who can individually make a difference in matches.
Conte has to prove that he can adjust his approach to matches to be able to meet the demands of multiple competitions. Until now, he's able to play one brand of football and that's about it. He's tried to experiment by changing his system around, but the results haven't been all that successful.
For me, Juve have a lot of work to do ahead of next season to try and get to a level where they can successfully play in the league and CL and though it's a realistic possibility they will, I'm still unconvinced whether they can yet.
Finally (I'm getting tired of writing about Juve), the rumours of Torres and Robben make little sense when you consider what Juve need. They have major issues scoring goals, and Torres has been nothing short of a disaster for the past couple of years, a guy who has been scared to get the ball, never mind shoot. Scoring goals against Leicester City is hardly likely to make him world class again.
Robben on the other hand represents everything that Conte's philosophy doesn't. I struggle to think of a more individual player in world football, with a prima donna attitude and poor work ethic. Add to this he suffers serious injuries frequently and I struggle to see how Conte will successfully work with him.
Getting back to us, I think Ederson could be a really good signing. He's a really talented player who I was a big fan of for years. He's lost his way the last 2-3 years, but if Allegri was to get the best out of him, I think we'd have a great player on our hands.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - will4li - 03-21-2012
Juve is a club with rich tradition of brand italian true-grit football.if they get robben and torres,their menace is imminent.it's not a coincidence they linked with this 2,not some penalty strikers like Dzeko or VP,they are copying real's building plan.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Gabriel426 - 03-21-2012
Ederson will add a lot of option to this current Milan side. If he is healthy and in shape....he could be the midfield dynamo Milan lacks over the years. He might just do what Hernanes is doing in Lazio.
As for Juve. Well, if and when they do sign Torres and Robben and whomever. Lets see if they can play as a team and do damages in CL and Serie A. Until then, really no point to fear them at all. I mean, as of today Torres seems to be scoring goals again and Robben is healthy. But that could all change next week. As I doubt Torres can score regularly again and with history on my side, Robben will be injured from Aug 2012 to March 2013.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Warro Bantan - 03-21-2012
http://english.gazzetta.it/Football/20-03-2012/ganso-and-lucas-are-ready-now-they-want-to-play-europe-81690967841.shtml
Interesting news from the Gazetta.....Ganso to Milan?