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RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - lancelot - 05-31-2015
(05-30-2015, 03:19 AM)millinarios Wrote:(05-29-2015, 11:51 PM)lancelot Wrote: 2. This reappearance of Berlusconi is only because of the elections... but is that a problem for me? Maybe if I was Italian, but i am not so no problem at all for me. Make our Milan great again, my only care!
So you say it's OK for Berlusconi to use the club for his short term political targets, instead of really building something for the future that can last. Wow. Just wow. Exactly the type of thinking got us into this mess.
Remind me at least 3 presidents that doesnt gain something from their involvement with the team they fund. They all gain something, and because I am not Italian I don't care if Berlu is doing it for elections, for votes or whatever. I just want at last my team to rebuild. I assume in the same manner Chelsea fans don't care of the accusations that Abramovic deals guns and used them to enter the market of London, and etc etc.
I prefer Berlu to a noname Indian or Chinese investor, and as I follow Milan for decades now, I remember also the accusations for relations with Cosa Nostra and with the fact that Silvio beds with young women...
I like Silvio as long as he serves my Milan's interests. My team is Milan, not Silvio Berlusconi (personally I find it very immature someone to vote for the future of his country because the president of his football team brought Ibrahimovic!) and i dont trouble myself with whatever he does, except maybe something too sick
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - ACMILAN1983 - 05-31-2015
Problem is Silvio isn't serving your Milan's interest, nor has he for the past decade. Even now, he's all talk, yet nothing positive has been done, it's a lot of hot air during elections and he's yet to show literally anything to suggest that he's going to back up his claims. The fact he wants money pumped into Milan yet isn't willing to change anything about how the club is being managed is absurd.
I also get that you don't care what his reasons are for funding the club and making it competitive, but in that case you would want Milan to be self sufficient and not reliant on Silvio right? The club has been totally dependent on Silvio's money to survive and what you're seeing is what happens when that money's not there, the club is being destroyed. Silvio will keep pumping in money as long as he has political motivation to do so, but bear in mind the guy is approaching 80 and his political career is pretty much in the coffin now. Soon as that motivation is completely gone, the money that the club even gets now to cover debt will be gone. This is why a sale is so important, because the time of Silvio funding everything is over, a change is required and for those with an attachment to the club, the ideal situation is the club being rebuilt to be self sufficient.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - lancelot - 06-01-2015
(05-31-2015, 08:44 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: Problem is Silvio isn't serving your Milan's interest, nor has he for the past decade. Even now, he's all talk, yet nothing positive has been done, it's a lot of hot air during elections and he's yet to show literally anything to suggest that he's going to back up his claims. The fact he wants money pumped into Milan yet isn't willing to change anything about how the club is being managed is absurd.Yep I agree on that though I believe a problem on this is that Serie A doesn't help to become a self-funded club like we see teams like Bayern or some English teams doing. I believe to be again a great club, we must invest lot of money, it's obvious to me. A sale to Bee I am not confident will be better than Silvio. I have in mind what happened with Parma...
I also get that you don't care what his reasons are for funding the club and making it competitive, but in that case you would want Milan to be self sufficient and not reliant on Silvio right? The club has been totally dependent on Silvio's money to survive and what you're seeing is what happens when that money's not there, the club is being destroyed. Silvio will keep pumping in money as long as he has political motivation to do so, but bear in mind the guy is approaching 80 and his political career is pretty much in the coffin now. Soon as that motivation is completely gone, the money that the club even gets now to cover debt will be gone. This is why a sale is so important, because the time of Silvio funding everything is over, a change is required and for those with an attachment to the club, the ideal situation is the club being rebuilt to be self sufficient.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - ACMILAN1983 - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 11:30 AM)lancelot Wrote: Yep I agree on that though I believe a problem on this is that Serie A doesn't help to become a self-funded club like we see teams like Bayern or some English teams doing. I believe to be again a great club, we must invest lot of money, it's obvious to me. A sale to Bee I am not confident will be better than Silvio. I have in mind what happened with Parma...
Serie A, well the FIGC, doesn't necessarily help clubs as the overall product isn't being developed and marketed as it should be, I agree there. My hope would be that powerful clubs would take a stance to make a change, like Agnelli from Juve and Pallotta from Roma did. Barbara tried from Milan, but then her stance was undermined by Galliani.
And that's the problem, as long as there are people like Galliani and Lotito continue to support Tavecchio and the existing set up, the future of Serie A and it's club is unlikely to be progressive. It's not just the established order holding clubs back, but also clubs holding themselves back. Also, I find it interesting that suddenly Lazio go from being a midtable side to being 3rd this season. They have done pretty well and I'm not doubting the work of Pioli and the players, but I also don't believe in happy coincidences and that in Tavecchio's first year in charge, suddenly Lotito's side skyrocket up the table.
On Bee I understand your concerns, I think most share them (me too). However, I don't know if he's worse than Silvio these days.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - somedevil - 06-01-2015
The funny thing is that everyone knows what needs to be done but they are ignoring the elephant in the room. Galliani knows, Silvio knows and yet they will prolong our misery. The time of Barbara is here. All it is going to take is Silvio spending a good amount of money on the right things in the next few years. That is all.
Establishing a good scouting network, fixing the medical staff, getting a good competitive coach, getting the legends of the club back working at the club.
Also, Buying young players- basically all the promises that they had made during the first year zero. Most of all- kick Galliani out. Get a good SD and let Barbara be at top. It is really not that difficult. Knowing these retards, none of it wil happen.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - reza - 06-01-2015
Here you go everybody:
Although Renzi’s Democratic party (PD) emerged from Sunday’s regional elections as the overall victor, it lost a bellwether race in Liguria, in northern Italy, to the League-backed candidate from Silvio Berlusconi’s centre-right Forza Italia, and was trounced by the League in Veneto, the region around Venice.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - sylrus - 06-01-2015
what does that mean reza??
berlu politic club win?
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - millinarios - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 03:57 PM)somedevil Wrote: The funny thing is that everyone knows what needs to be done but they are ignoring the elephant in the room. Galliani knows, Silvio knows and yet they will prolong our misery. The time of Barbara is here. All it is going to take is Silvio spending a good amount of money on the right things in the next few years. That is all.
Establishing a good scouting network, fixing the medical staff, getting a good competitive coach, getting the legends of the club back working at the club.
Also, Buying young players- basically all the promises that they had made during the first year zero. Most of all- kick Galliani out. Get a good SD and let Barbara be at top. It is really not that difficult. Knowing these retards, none of it wil happen.
Agree... The club is now a failure on both sporting level (10th place) and economy level too (90million in red). What more could possibly happen to convince Berlu to fire Galliani?
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - millinarios - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 04:48 PM)sylrus Wrote: what does that mean reza??
berlu politic club win?
I heard that the Italian elections have won by.... The Chinese government.
RE: Venting, sell the club, etc. thread - reza - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 04:48 PM)sylrus Wrote: what does that mean reza??
berlu politic club win?
Yes. At least in some places any way.