(08-02-2011, 09:51 PM)millinarios Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 09:37 PM)Siregar Wrote: If he won't be starter there and will only play bench-role, I doubt Fabregas would like to join Barca. He left Barca for hoping games in Arsenal I assume and now he wants to go back to Barca just playing bench-role? I do doubt it even Fabregas is a fanatic fan of Barca. The reason is just simple, he can be starter in any other big club in Europe. That's why I don't see his coming to Barca for bench role.

What I meant, Barcelona is his childhood dream club. As far as I know, he left because at that time at Barcelona he wasn't even given the chance to play. Now, as an established footballer, he would surely get his chance, and maybe he is willing to take the challenge and fight for his place. Getting into that starting line up is not an easy task, for anyone... But since his dream is to follow Guardiola's footsteps, he takes the risk.

Also, I think that if Guardiola would see Fabregas as an absolute starter in his line up, they would already signed him. This saga goes on because Barcelona always considered their midfield ready, and had their priorities elsewhere (David Villa, Sanchez).

Anyway, we cannot know for sure until he signs for Barcelona

(08-02-2011, 10:12 PM)Siregar Wrote: You made very good points there in the second paragraph and I think, that should be one of main reason Fabregas needs to think about. If Barca do need him or really want him, they already splash the money to Arsenal to get him instead of getting 'unknown' player from Udinese (compared to Fabregas of course). He should be able to see in which team he will be valued more, he will be given more chance even to be one of significant player in the team. Fact that a player fan of club is something to watch on but definitely not the significant factor for a player in deciding in which club he would like to play IMO, chance to play or to be important player in a big club with ambition is more significant ones.

I really think that the problem with Milan regarding Fabregas is not that Fabregas is Barca fan but lies on that Milan don't have the financial strength to get him easily. If Milan have 40-50 mil money to splash for one player, I think Fabregas would have been a Milan player despite he is a Barca fan.

I forgot to say: Welcome to Milan Mania. Hope to read your posts often here.

(08-02-2011, 09:42 PM)ElMago99 Wrote: Why are you settling with a descent player for LCM. Ask Barcelona if they should settle for a 'solid' midfielder. Or Chelsea? Or Manchester United. Or Real Madrid...

(08-03-2011, 12:02 AM)slifersd Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 09:42 PM)ElMago99 Wrote: Why are you settling with a descent player for LCM. Ask Barcelona if they should settle for a 'solid' midfielder. Or Chelsea? Or Manchester United. Or Real Madrid...

Agree with you for the most part on the fact that we should not settle for anything less than a star player, but Man U has been settling on second rated midfielders for years. Carrick, Anderson, and Valencia are average players at best; Nani is inconsistent; Giggs and Scholes were past their prime; Fletcher might be the only midfielder on Man U that's actually worth a damn. In both match ups against Barca, Man U's shitty midfield were exposed.

(08-03-2011, 03:56 AM)sylrus Wrote: 10m for aquilani is to much
he should cost only around 5-8m
because of his injury prone thing

(08-02-2011, 07:15 PM)millinarios Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 05:42 PM)Aficio Wrote: I think we will get Montolivo/Aquilani so that our LCM position will be theoretically completed. Even if we fail to get a big name, our squad still can compete for Serie A and qualify the CL Group, and waiting for Winter Mercato.

You're right about this one, we did fairly well in our last winter mercato. Well, apart from the fact that our signings could not help us in the CL. In that regard, I think our "summer CL squad" and the "winter CL squad" will be roughly the same in terms of quality, maybe could be a bit stronger if we fill up that non-EU spot with a top class player in january.

(08-02-2011, 09:42 PM)ElMago99 Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 02:25 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.

Why are you settling with a descent player for LCM. Ask Barcelona if they should settle for a 'solid' midfielder. Or Chelsea? Or Manchester United. Or Real Madrid...

If you want to win Scudetto and go deep in Champions League, you need a World Class Midfielder. Van Bommel is certainly that (but for defensive qualities). No other midfielder is World Class currently for their offensive qualities. We need a player who is dynamic and can be creative. Even if we had Hamsik, Fabregas, Van Bommel, Gattuso/Boateng it would STILL be debatable if we had the best midfield. Certainly Barcelona's and possibly Real Madrid's would be better, with Chelsea's and Man Utd's about equal. That's assuming we buy 2 World Class midfielders.

If we're going to settle for a descent 2-way midfielder for LCM (Montolivo), then we will get 'descent' results. End of story. I don't know how much AC Milan can ACTUALLY spend, as our budget has been shady for years now, but if they're going to be as cheap as they seem to be, then our goals will certainly be in accordance with our budget (low)

(08-02-2011, 03:39 PM)fLame Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 02:25 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Honestly, if Milan is going to hand out 40 mil for Cesc, I rather they give out that amount for Hernanes. Hernanaes is a bigger talent and it seems that the bigger the game the better he plays. Also pls don't say stuff like Cesc is still young enough to improve as Hernanes is only 1 yr older than him.

Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.

Hmmm... I don't know where you got this "Hernanes is world class" thing... but Hernanes isn't even making it into Brazil's NT squad.

... While Cesc has been captaining Arsenal (with inspiring displays like against Barca last year)... and also beeing an integral part of Spain NT.

Hernanes might be potentially a good player, in the future... But let's not make something out of him which he isn't. So far Fabregas and Hernanes are from two completely different leagues (figuratively and non-figuratively.)

(08-02-2011, 03:51 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 02:25 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Honestly, if Milan is going to hand out 40 mil for Cesc, I rather they give out that amount for Hernanes. Hernanaes is a bigger talent and it seems that the bigger the game the better he plays. Also pls don't say stuff like Cesc is still young enough to improve as Hernanes is only 1 yr older than him.

Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.

Do you really rate Hernanes higher than Fabregas? Hernanes is good, but I really consider Fabregas to be a very special player and for me the only reason he's not regarded higher than he is, is because he plays for Arsenal, who have a group of talented players but lack an element to win. However, watch what Fabregas adds too the team, and it's clear he's the one player who they rely on to dictate matches and give the side it's character (Nasri did this to some extent when Fabregas was injured this year).

I disagree with your second paragraph though. MvB can pass, but he doesn't do what Pirlo did as a regista. Whereas Pirlo would start moves, spread play and dictate the tempo of our game, MvB generally is there as a solid outlet and defensive wall. His passes are generally to keep play moving, but rarely does he control play, which is very important in every top side these days (Man Utd had Scholes, Inter had Sneijder, Barca have Xavi and Real have Xabi Alonso). Instead our LCM is now the player to dictate the flow of our game. This was no more evident than in the Audi cup, where we had Urby in the role in the first match and he lacked the creativity or tactical intelligence to bring much to the role. Seedorf on the other hand, moved really well against Inter and was often a player the play revolved around.

(08-02-2011, 09:51 PM)millinarios Wrote:

(08-02-2011, 09:37 PM)Siregar Wrote: If he won't be starter there and will only play bench-role, I doubt Fabregas would like to join Barca. He left Barca for hoping games in Arsenal I assume and now he wants to go back to Barca just playing bench-role? I do doubt it even Fabregas is a fanatic fan of Barca. The reason is just simple, he can be starter in any other big club in Europe. That's why I don't see his coming to Barca for bench role.

What I meant, Barcelona is his childhood dream club. As far as I know, he left because at that time at Barcelona he wasn't even given the chance to play. Now, as an established footballer, he would surely get his chance, and maybe he is willing to take the challenge and fight for his place. Getting into that starting line up is not an easy task, for anyone... But since his dream is to follow Guardiola's footsteps, he takes the risk.

Also, I think that if Guardiola would see Fabregas as an absolute starter in his line up, they would already signed him. This saga goes on because Barcelona always considered their midfield ready, and had their priorities elsewhere (David Villa, Sanchez).

Anyway, we cannot know for sure until he signs for Barcelona

(08-03-2011, 04:25 AM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Honestly, I think Arsenal is using Milan as a tool to up the fees for Barca.

As far as I know, Cesc only said he does not mind playing for Milan, but I think it has more to do with being a professional in front of media instead of proclaiming he wants to play for Milan.

Also, do we really want someone who wants to be at another club to begin with? As I stated it before, I will feel pretty gutted if Cesc puts on a Barca jersey next summer in the victory parade at Spain's Euro win celebration.

I really wish this Cesc thing is the the Nesta transfer, where it seems like Milan was chasing Canna/Cesc and ended up with Nesta/THE REAL Mr. X at the end.