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RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - mrki - 08-02-2011
I think Milan is seriousely counting on players like Shaarawy and Valotti (sp?), as they both are showing real talent. Fossatti also...
Seeing we are ( Im sure ) trying for Fabregas, we have pretty good money at Galliani's disposal. But if the deal is not possible, fuck Fabregas and Barca acting-academy! Lets sign who we can.
Aquilani was always showing more then Montolivo and only injuries stoped him. Maybe he can find his pace again in Milanello. Im not sure why Juve released him, that is my only question...
I'd take MArchision over both Aquilani and Montolivo, but that doesnt seem possible at all.
Balotelli? If there is ONE place where he can play normal football, its ac milan.
I'd like to see Robinho playing more as a trequartista, as he's been showing improvements since he came to Milan. Maybe him as CAM and a player like Aquilani as a CM can make our midfield play with more technique, which we lack.
Balotelli, Pato and Ibra would play up front + Pippo.
The defence is good, the youth sector is very good, the forward line is great. But the midfield, as far as CL stands, is not good enough.
Fingers crossed for a real class player like Cesc this summer + one more surprise like Ricky or Aquilani. But if that doesnt happen, we are fine for the scudetto fight at least.
P.S.
Silva was already a star, a big star at Valencia and he was expencive as hell back then. Always a great player. Wait a season or two untill City destroys him, then we have a chance
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - fLame - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 12:37 PM)mrki Wrote: But if the deal is not possible, fuck Fabregas and Barca acting-academy! Lets sign who we can.
Golden words my friend.
We need the best reinforcement we can possible get, be it Fabregas or not Fabregas.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - ElMago99 - 08-02-2011
Cassano-Marchisio won't happen. Reports say that Juventus are doing away with the 4-4-2, switching to a 4-3-3 and want a tight 3 -man midfield, thus they having CM's like Pirlo, Pazienza, Marchisio, Vidal, etc.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - Gabriel426 - 08-02-2011
Honestly, if Milan is going to hand out 40 mil for Cesc, I rather they give out that amount for Hernanes. Hernanaes is a bigger talent and it seems that the bigger the game the better he plays. Also pls don't say stuff like Cesc is still young enough to improve as Hernanes is only 1 yr older than him.
Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - abbeyleemania - 08-02-2011
Our midfield just lacks more pace, more tecnique and more pressing... Only one signing surely will improve the quality but wont solve our problems.
if Fabregas is expensive for us, we have to be clever on the market. We should have signed Pastore 2 years ago for instance. Galliani said that we already had Kaka at that time, we all knew that Kaka was going to leave, Milan was about to sell him to City 6 months ago before we sold him to Real.
Hernanes went to Lazio just for 10 m euros. Do you really think that we can sign Ganso? They ask 50 m euros for him. Lucas is very expensive but potential world class...
Milan's problem is not fee, Milan's problem is that Milan doesnt have plans on the market. Milan just awaits an oppurtunity, if someone wanna get rid of some players, Milan will jump and sign him.
if Barcelona sign Fabregas, and if they want to get rid of Keita for instance, Milan will jump and sign him for low price.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - fLame - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 02:25 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Honestly, if Milan is going to hand out 40 mil for Cesc, I rather they give out that amount for Hernanes. Hernanaes is a bigger talent and it seems that the bigger the game the better he plays. Also pls don't say stuff like Cesc is still young enough to improve as Hernanes is only 1 yr older than him.
Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.
Hmmm... I don't know where you got this "Hernanes is world class" thing... but Hernanes isn't even making it into Brazil's NT squad.
... While Cesc has been captaining Arsenal (with inspiring displays like against Barca last year)... and also beeing an integral part of Spain NT.
Hernanes might be potentially a good player, in the future... But let's not make something out of him which he isn't.
So far Fabregas and Hernanes are from two completely different leagues (figuratively and non-figuratively.)
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - ACMILAN1983 - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 02:25 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Honestly, if Milan is going to hand out 40 mil for Cesc, I rather they give out that amount for Hernanes. Hernanaes is a bigger talent and it seems that the bigger the game the better he plays. Also pls don't say stuff like Cesc is still young enough to improve as Hernanes is only 1 yr older than him.
Another thing, I think we are all putting too much attention on what this LCM must do..... To me, he just needs to be someone who can play both ways with a more offensive punch, like long shot, can dribble pass his marker and make good passes. He does not need to be someone who dictate the tempo of the game like Pirlo, since MVB can also pass.
Do you really rate Hernanes higher than Fabregas? Hernanes is good, but I really consider Fabregas to be a very special player and for me the only reason he's not regarded higher than he is, is because he plays for Arsenal, who have a group of talented players but lack an element to win. However, watch what Fabregas adds too the team, and it's clear he's the one player who they rely on to dictate matches and give the side it's character (Nasri did this to some extent when Fabregas was injured this year).
I disagree with your second paragraph though. MvB can pass, but he doesn't do what Pirlo did as a regista. Whereas Pirlo would start moves, spread play and dictate the tempo of our game, MvB generally is there as a solid outlet and defensive wall. His passes are generally to keep play moving, but rarely does he control play, which is very important in every top side these days (Man Utd had Scholes, Inter had Sneijder, Barca have Xavi and Real have Xabi Alonso). Instead our LCM is now the player to dictate the flow of our game. This was no more evident than in the Audi cup, where we had Urby in the role in the first match and he lacked the creativity or tactical intelligence to bring much to the role. Seedorf on the other hand, moved really well against Inter and was often a player the play revolved around.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - millinarios - 08-02-2011
Hello all!
I'm new here, this is my first post, altough I have been reading this forum (and it's predecessors) for nearly a decade now. I'm a Milan fan since the '94 CL final, and been through highs and lows along with my team.
I will try to give my views on our transfer campaign so far, especially on this mysterious Mr. X our favorite Golden Tie keeps mentioning.
I think on this forums we all very well aware how Mr. Galliani used to handle our transfer negotiations, ever since we got into the situation that money-wise our club is no longer competitive with the current big spenders in Europe, like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, ect. He keeps it all secret not to play with our nerves, but because that's the only way he can sign top class players ahead of those clubs, and the only way Milan can escape from losing face, if our target goes to another team instead.
If you want an example of this, look at the Ibrahimovic-saga. We nearly got him in 2006, but Galliani and co weren't careful enough, and it was all over the media before he would actually signed the contract. And then Inter got him before us, and it's hard to imagine a more embarassing situation for a Milan fan. Now let's forward the clock to the summer of 2010... Galliani and co were all over on Ibrahimovic again, but instead of the media fanfare they played it quiet, and in the end they made probably the smartest business of the summer, with signing a top class forward for twenty-something million euros, in three installments. And this signing was a major factor in that Milan ended up winning the Scudetto last season...
Now, I'm not saying this to imply that we are sure to sign a midfielder of the same calibre this summer, but to emphasise that if we want quality players with our limited budget, this is the only way Milan can go now.
As for our transfer targets, a lot of names have been circulating... Of course the majority of us would love to see Cesc Fabregas in a Milan shirt. Me too, but to be realistic if he moves away from Arsenal, he will probably sign only for Barcelona. He is a catalan, I guess he would sign for them even if it means a bench-role for him and a significant pay-cut. That's football-love right here, and there is nothing Galliani and co can do to change this. As for Barcelona, of course with their midfielders they don't really need Fabregas, they're just acting like Berlusconi's Grande Milan acted in the past... Buying players just for the sake of keeping them away from their rivals.
There is another world class name mentioned for the left midfield role, Bastian Schweinsteiger. However, Galliani's comments about Mr. X being a player not at his top, excludes the german, as he is already at the prime of his powers. Maybe he could be even more improvement on our team than Fabregas, but unfortunately Bayern would never sell him.
A lot of Milanistas think that Bale will be our Mr. X, but I don't really see that as a possibility... In our current line-up, he could fit into the left back role, but since we already signed Taiwo, I don't see this transfer happening. Anyway, his price would be astronomical, and I'm a bit skeptical about whether he could perform well in the midfield role.
Let's move now to the more realistic targets. There is the Italian duo of Aquilani and Montolivo. I'm on the view that they are not really the players Milan would need right now to make a big jump in quality... But on the other hand, if we cannot sign anyone better, I would still welcome one of them (or both), because they would reduce the possibility of Gattuso and Ambrosini on the field at the same time. Any solution that prevents this nightmare happening is welcome by me, and this Italian duo might do just that by giving Allegri more creative solutions in the midfield.
The other somewhat vacant position in our midfield is the central attacking role. We have many players who are capable of playing there, but none of them are established trequartistas. Maybe the most capable is Robinho, but I always saw him more of a support striker / striker. Cassano has the vision, but he is also more of a striker by instinct. Boateng likes to play there, but with his characteristics he is more of use in the right midfielder role. As for Seedorf, the man is still a genius, but he is too old to rely on as our main creative force, as we would need someone who can play most of the games in the season, consistently. I have high hopes for El Shaarawy and Valoti, but they are not starting materials yet.
Of course our management is also aware of the problems there, that's why Milan were interested in signing Pastore... Unfortunately, what I wrote about our financial issues is reflected here too, as our beloved Leonardo simply outbid his former club and got him before us. It's too bad, because he was young, already had Serie A experience, and our management always saw him as the potential new Kaká...
Speaking of Kaká, he was mentioned too with a return to red and black, but I think that would be the same misstep when we bought Shevchenko back from Chelsea. He is injured almost all the time, out of form, and only got older since we sold him. So, no thanks to Kaká from me...
Also, there is another trequartista linked with us, the brazilian kid Ganso. I confess apart from the Copa America I never seen him play, but the management apparently holds him in high regard. In the Copa he didn't really shine, but that was just a few games, and the whole Brazil team were somewhat out of shape, so I would not make conclusions from that... But I can't escape the impression that Ganso seemed somewhat slow to me in that tournament... If that's anything to go by, then he is not more suited to our league than a certain Juan Roman Riquelme... So with the figures of 40-50 million mentioned, I would skip on Ganso too, he would be too much of a risk for that amount.
And one last thing I wish to reflect on... Is this whole Balotelli - Cassano viceIbra thing. Honestly, I don't think there is any problem with our attack. Maybe Cassano is a bit out of shape now, but we should give him a full season to prove his worth. He's just too much of a talent to waste just because he flopped in the Audi Cup. Also, I would much rather keep Paloschi at the team, while we have Superpippo here to teach him a thing or two, than putting another potential dynamite under our bench (Balotelli). With Cassano and Paloschi in the team, and Robinho capable of playing in the attack, we don't really need to buy a striker.
We should focus our efforts and limited finances to strenghten the midfield, with possibly two quality signings enough to keep the team ahead of Inter, Juve, ect... I would not think about winning the CL this season, that seems far too unrealistic. A realistic target would be to reach the semis there, and go for the victory next season.
That's it, sorry for beign this long in my first post
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - Jay Crisp - 08-02-2011
Welcome , very nicely put I enjoyed reading that post.And agree with all you said.
RE: Summer Mercato 2011 - nefremo - 08-02-2011
I got a plan. If we DO have this kind of money to spend (35+mil), and Barca are struggling to get the 40+ that Arsenal wants for Cesc.....then why don't we give Barca 30 mil for Alcantara(who obviously wouldn't mind moving if given a project in which he will have a leading role) and they can go get Cesc. Then with the remaining 5,10 mil that we have we can get Aquilani. End of summer. (wishful thinking though probably)