(04-06-2012, 05:11 AM)Jeff Wrote: What I would propose is to support him all the way, regardless of whether he will stay or leave us. I think this is very important lesson, for Pato, the medical staff, and Milan.

(04-06-2012, 03:04 AM)xvr11 Wrote: I think Pato's leg injuries stem from the weight increase on his smallish body frame. If you look at him from when we got him and now, hes a much more muscular. I'm sure Milan lab and trainers opinion was for Pato to put weight on to deal with the Serie A grueling schedule and type of play.

If they are going to rehabilitate him, first and foremost break him down physically and rebuild him. That means to lose the muscle and adopt a new training regiment.

(04-06-2012, 10:55 AM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: I think there was talk about Pato probably not playing this season again so that the club can just take their time to get him ready for next season. I also think it was mentioned that after 14-15 days, more tests will be done rather than declaring him fit.

I wonder if we should approach alternative techniques to try and prevent injuries. For example, I read yesterday Pato intends to do everything he can (diet, frequent stretching exercises etc.) to try and prevent the problems which is something I've mentioned when reading about Messi's situation in the past, but I think we as a club should look at what he can do with his body to avoid further problems.

It seems as though the injuries occurred mostly because he's had a growth spurt and put on a lot of muscle since coming to Italy. One of the things we can maybe look into is change his training exercises to place less emphasis on increasing muscle mass and look to reduce his weight, as I wouldn't be surprised if the additional strain of the extra muscle mass is part of the cause of his problems.

As a bit of research, I decided to compare Pato to players of similar physical stature (players of similar height, with pace and who are light on their feet and can be explosive) on the official site. The results are really interesting (height and weight in cm and kg respectively):

Pato
Height: 179
Weight: 78

Abate
Height: 180
Weight: 73

Antonini
Height: 182
Weight: 70

Flamini
Height: 178
Weight: 67

El Shaarawy
Height: 178
Weight: 72

Pato is a full 5kg heavier than the next comparable player, Abate, who is actually also taller than Pato. This means whenever Pato runs his body must cope with the extra 5kg when he explodes. Add to this his running technique has been described as poor by a sprinter recently, and his risk of injury increases even more.

Here's another interesting little article about sprinters and the height to weight ratio (essentially something like BMI), which points out how sprinters are generally light. This is interesting as sprinters generally need power to increase their speed within a short distance. They also essentially run straight (well a slight curve), unlike footballers who must adjust their body constantly depending on the action, meaning they could probably afford having a little additional weight to get their power as their bodies aren't strained in the same way as a footballer's.

http://www.singaporeathletics.com/world-news/sprinter-weight-to-height-ratio

I'm essentially simplifying a theory on Pato's injuries, but I think this must be looked into. Players of a similar stature and physique to Pato all weigh significantly less, and we know just looking at changes to his body since he joined that Pato muscle mass has increased shocking amounts over the past few years.

(04-06-2012, 10:58 AM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote:

(04-06-2012, 03:04 AM)xvr11 Wrote: I think Pato's leg injuries stem from the weight increase on his smallish body frame. If you look at him from when we got him and now, hes a much more muscular. I'm sure Milan lab and trainers opinion was for Pato to put weight on to deal with the Serie A grueling schedule and type of play.

If they are going to rehabilitate him, first and foremost break him down physically and rebuild him. That means to lose the muscle and adopt a new training regiment.

lol, I just read this post after I posted something similar in the Injuries thread. I have a very similar thought to you, I'll quote my post from the other thread...

(04-06-2012, 10:55 AM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: I think there was talk about Pato probably not playing this season again so that the club can just take their time to get him ready for next season. I also think it was mentioned that after 14-15 days, more tests will be done rather than declaring him fit.

I wonder if we should approach alternative techniques to try and prevent injuries. For example, I read yesterday Pato intends to do everything he can (diet, frequent stretching exercises etc.) to try and prevent the problems which is something I've mentioned when reading about Messi's situation in the past, but I think we as a club should look at what he can do with his body to avoid further problems.

It seems as though the injuries occurred mostly because he's had a growth spurt and put on a lot of muscle since coming to Italy. One of the things we can maybe look into is change his training exercises to place less emphasis on increasing muscle mass and look to reduce his weight, as I wouldn't be surprised if the additional strain of the extra muscle mass is part of the cause of his problems.

As a bit of research, I decided to compare Pato to players of similar physical stature (players of similar height, with pace and who are light on their feet and can be explosive) on the official site. The results are really interesting (height and weight in cm and kg respectively):

Pato
Height: 179
Weight: 78

Abate
Height: 180
Weight: 73

Antonini
Height: 182
Weight: 70

Flamini
Height: 178
Weight: 67

El Shaarawy
Height: 178
Weight: 72

Pato is a full 5kg heavier than the next comparable player, Abate, who is actually also taller than Pato. This means whenever Pato runs his body must cope with the extra 5kg when he explodes. Add to this his running technique has been described as poor by a sprinter recently, and his risk of injury increases even more.

Here's another interesting little article about sprinters and the height to weight ratio (essentially something like BMI), which points out how sprinters are generally light. This is interesting as sprinters generally need power to increase their speed within a short distance. They also essentially run straight (well a slight curve), unlike footballers who must adjust their body constantly depending on the action, meaning they could probably afford having a little additional weight to get their power as their bodies aren't strained in the same way as a footballer's.

http://www.singaporeathletics.com/world-news/sprinter-weight-to-height-ratio

I'm essentially simplifying a theory on Pato's injuries, but I think this must be looked into. Players of a similar stature and physique to Pato all weigh significantly less, and we know just looking at changes to his body since he joined that Pato muscle mass has increased shocking amounts over the past few years.

(04-06-2012, 01:43 PM)ElMago99 Wrote: I agree about his sprinting technique. When he slows down, he tends to glide with too long of a stride. It's a bit awkward. I think he's probably too heavy (too muscular) and maybe his body can't handle it. However, sprinters have low BMI, usually 5-7%, but they are definitely NOT light.

The guy on the left runs 5k. The guy on the right is a sprinter:




On the other hand, tennis players (needs more flexibility in upper body) like me, are thinner:

(04-06-2012, 05:11 AM)Jeff Wrote: Very interesting thought xvr11!

I doubt if it's a psychological issue. The fact is: when they do the medical check, he has an injury!

What I would propose is to support him all the way, regardless of whether he will stay or leave us. I think this is very important lesson, for Pato, the medical staff, and Milan.

(04-06-2012, 03:33 AM)xudong Wrote: @xvr11:

who is that strange-faced man in your avatar?