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RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - reza - 11-04-2014

Losing badly doesn't mean Berlusconi will sell, plus despite all that has happened there isn't all that much evidence Galliani is the sole problem so him being fired is not a guarantee either. I mean Berlusconi comes and talks in front of the youth team and basically makes up something about Milan being great again in 2 or 3 years...if great means winning CL (or even being in the final of it) that is not happening. Even if the current youth are great they will not turn into a top winning team before they are 23 or older. So unless there is massive spending, which remember Berlusconi not Galliani can control, this is a 5-10 years project now (starting 2014 or if we are optimistic 2013)

The obvious alternative is new owner, I think that is less likely than 2 years ago. The more likely thing is a minority share to help build a new stadium for example.



RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Jokka - 11-04-2014

(11-04-2014, 05:04 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: Problem is Galliani isn't held accountable. He's been performing terribly for a number of years in his role and yet hasn't been questioned other than Barbara outing him last year. Silvio acknowledges something's clearly wrong when he keeps commenting on how much he has to spend every year, but no action has been taken to actually deal with the problem. Your attitude (in wanting Milan to lose) is nothing new, lots of fans have felt that way in hope for change, but fact remains that until now nothing has been actively done.

Well last year Galliani was held accountable which is why he resigned. For the first time Barbara bent Berlusconi's ear questioning Galliani's management. She asked why Milan was under-performing vs. smaller clubs despite a higher budget. She also questioned his transfer dealings with friends like Raiola, Preziosi etc. The whole thing played out embarassingly in public letting the world know Milan was in turmoil.

Foolishly Berlusconi believed Galliani leaving mid-season would be detrimental to CL hopes so fired Allegri instead. But I don't believe Galliani would survive a second successive disastrous season. Maldini, Albertini, Nesta etc have spoken out publicly against Galliani's transfer dealings. Then there's the embarasssing episode with Seedorf. Also the Curva Sud released an anti-Galliani statement at the beginning of the season calling him greedy and selfish. It would be difficult to survive another barrage plus falling ticket sales and no CL. After all Milan's a business and the brand can only suffer so much.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Jokka - 11-04-2014

(11-04-2014, 05:04 PM)reza Wrote: Losing badly doesn't mean Berlusconi will sell, plus despite all that has happened there isn't all that much evidence Galliani is the sole problem so him being fired is not a guarantee either. I mean Berlusconi comes and talks in front of the youth team and basically makes up something about Milan being great again in 2 or 3 years...if great means winning CL (or even being in the final of it) that is not happening. Even if the current youth are great they will not turn into a top winning team before they are 23 or older. So unless there is massive spending, which remember Berlusconi not Galliani can control, this is a 5-10 years project now (starting 2014 or if we are optimistic 2013)

The obvious alternative is new owner, I think that is less likely than 2 years ago. The more likely thing is a minority share to help build a new stadium for example.

Unfortunately I don't see us changing management/ownership anytime soon either. Like I said before Milan's focus is developing a WC youth academy instead of buying stars. Whilst I agree with this strategy it'll take a few years to implement. But once implemented I've no doubt the foundations will be in place for a successful Milan for many years. The only question is when it will be implemented. Based on an interview with Brocchi I think they're considering promoting some 97 players next year. Personally I think that's too soon and they won't be ready until 19/20.

I can think of 3 97/98 players destined to become champions. Add that to DES and we've got the foundations of a great team. There's also another 6 players who are borderline great squad players/potential champions. Then there's a few super talented 2000 players we recently signed. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if 75% Milan's squad is from the youth academy in 5 years. Until then better get used to watching more rejects/freebies/misfits donning red & black.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - slifersd - 11-05-2014

It really doesn't matter how much the squad is from the youth academy. Prolonged periods without CL means we have to sell every year to keep our checkbook balanced. All the DES, SES, Mastour or Mastalli or whoever, will eventually be sacrificed for the sake of the ledger. And even that's under the assumption that we can even develop our young players correctly at all, which is not a sure thing considering our recent history with young players.

Milan's problem is the same as Italian soccer, they have not been able to adapt to the changing macro environment. Most soccer clubs in the world, and certainly most big leagues are now functioning like a company. The keys to success are about long term planning, internal development, putting the right people at the right position and proper investment. In this environment, accountability becomes an important concept. A manager or director don't get to just be there and suck at his job and not get fired.

But in Italy, it's still good old fashion family business style clubs where favoritism and nepotism run wild. No matter how many mistakes a director makes, he won't lose his job because he's been friends with the owner for 40 years. If the CEO of my company screws up one business decision or another, he is done, even if the board of directors are his best buddies. But at Milan, or really, most Italian clubs, mistakes are overlooked because club higher ups like this guy. As long as this trend continues, Milan, or Italian soccer in general, will never recover. Just look at that Tevecchio idiot. What politician anywhere can still run and win after what he said? You don't hear Barack Obama going in front of microphones and go "all Asian people should be shipped out on a boat made of rice leaves" and still win an election. But at Italy, Tevecchio and his buddies will make sure he still gets in office, because he is friends with the Galliani and Lotitos of the soccer world.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Hany.Egypt - 11-05-2014

Well said, the last paragraph alone almost summed all Italian football problems.
(11-05-2014, 08:55 AM)slifersd Wrote: It really doesn't matter how much the squad is from the youth academy. Prolonged periods without CL means we have to sell every year to keep our checkbook balanced. All the DES, SES, Mastour or Mastalli or whoever, will eventually be sacrificed for the sake of the ledger. And even that's under the assumption that we can even develop our young players correctly at all, which is not a sure thing considering our recent history with young players.

Milan's problem is the same as Italian soccer, they have not been able to adapt to the changing macro environment. Most soccer clubs in the world, and certainly most big leagues are now functioning like a company. The keys to success are about long term planning, internal development, putting the right people at the right position and proper investment. In this environment, accountability becomes an important concept. A manager or director don't get to just be there and suck at his job and not get fired.

But in Italy, it's still good old fashion family business style clubs where favoritism and nepotism run wild. No matter how many mistakes a director makes, he won't lose his job because he's been friends with the owner for 40 years. If the CEO of my company screws up one business decision or another, he is done, even if the board of directors are his best buddies. But at Milan, or really, most Italian clubs, mistakes are overlooked because club higher ups like this guy. As long as this trend continues, Milan, or Italian soccer in general, will never recover. Just look at that Tevecchio idiot. What politician anywhere can still run and win after what he said? You don't hear Barack Obama going in front of microphones and go "all Asian people should be shipped out on a boat made of rice leaves" and still win an election. But at Italy, Tevecchio and his buddies will make sure he still gets in office, because he is friends with the Galliani and Lotitos of the soccer world.

Well said, the last paragraph alone almost summed all Italian football problems.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Jokka - 11-05-2014

(11-05-2014, 08:55 AM)slifersd Wrote: It really doesn't matter how much the squad is from the youth academy. Prolonged periods without CL means we have to sell every year to keep our checkbook balanced. All the DES, SES, Mastour or Mastalli or whoever, will eventually be sacrificed for the sake of the ledger. And even that's under the assumption that we can even develop our young players correctly at all, which is not a sure thing considering our recent history with young players.

Milan's problem is the same as Italian soccer, they have not been able to adapt to the changing macro environment. Most soccer clubs in the world, and certainly most big leagues are now functioning like a company. The keys to success are about long term planning, internal development, putting the right people at the right position and proper investment. In this environment, accountability becomes an important concept. A manager or director don't get to just be there and suck at his job and not get fired.

But in Italy, it's still good old fashion family business style clubs where favoritism and nepotism run wild. No matter how many mistakes a director makes, he won't lose his job because he's been friends with the owner for 40 years. If the CEO of my company screws up one business decision or another, he is done, even if the board of directors are his best buddies. But at Milan, or really, most Italian clubs, mistakes are overlooked because club higher ups like this guy. As long as this trend continues, Milan, or Italian soccer in general, will never recover. Just look at that Tevecchio idiot. What politician anywhere can still run and win after what he said? You don't hear Barack Obama going in front of microphones and go "all Asian people should be shipped out on a boat made of rice leaves" and still win an election. But at Italy, Tevecchio and his buddies will make sure he still gets in office, because he is friends with the Galliani and Lotitos of the soccer world.

Tbh I think Galliani & co are just talking about CL without meaning it. If they were serious about it they'd invest. The past 2 seasons have made it abundantly clear that only teams who invest (Juve, Roma, Napoli) can realistically reach CL. Even then it's still not guaranteed i.e. Napoli. But you've got practically zero chance with a rookie manager and squad full of freebies/rejects.

I think they'll tolerate Milan being without CL for a few more years. Re Financials, the deficit will be covered by a number of things. Firstly, all players wages are automatically reduced by 20%. Secondly, high earning benchwarmers like Mexes, Essien contracts expire freeing up c.15m. We can also expect an increase in advertising revenue as Barbara's signed a number of new sponsors lately.

Re youth, I believe Milan's actually fairly decent at this. The youth scouting (U15) is headed up by totally different people to first team scouts (formerly Braida). We can't confuse the horrible scouting of Niang, Vergara, Saponara, Gabriel etc between the two. I believe the Milan youth scouts are doing an excellent job recruiting tomorrow's champions. Don't forget we were extremely close to signing Montolivo, Verratti, Xavi & Totti as kids. These are the types of talents we can expect our academy to churn out in future. We weren't as serious about youth back in the day because we had plenty of money to spend on big name signings. But times have changed so we'll be chasing those players harder e.g. paying world record fee for Mastour.

The youth staff also only promote youngsters when they believe they're ready for first team football. DES/SES were promoted at the right time and had phenomenal debut seasons. I believe both have regressed because they're surrounded by fodders teammates, different fodder coaches plus inner turmoil at the club. If they played for Juve, RM, Bayern etc they'd look like different players.

The only real mistake was the sale of Cristante. But I blame that on Galliani not the youth staff. But he's only played 18mins out of 9 potential games so far for Benfica so maybe he wasn't ready.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - ACMILAN1983 - 11-06-2014

Excellent post slifersd, I agree with every point you made. Actually on your last point about the racist remarks, there's been another controversy recently with the Sampdoria owner that I don't think has been posted about on the forum:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29781636

(11-04-2014, 05:26 PM)Jokka Wrote: Well last year Galliani was held accountable which is why he resigned. For the first time Barbara bent Berlusconi's ear questioning Galliani's management. She asked why Milan was under-performing vs. smaller clubs despite a higher budget. She also questioned his transfer dealings with friends like Raiola, Preziosi etc. The whole thing played out embarassingly in public letting the world know Milan was in turmoil.

Foolishly Berlusconi believed Galliani leaving mid-season would be detrimental to CL hopes so fired Allegri instead. But I don't believe Galliani would survive a second successive disastrous season. Maldini, Albertini, Nesta etc have spoken out publicly against Galliani's transfer dealings. Then there's the embarasssing episode with Seedorf. Also the Curva Sud released an anti-Galliani statement at the beginning of the season calling him greedy and selfish. It would be difficult to survive another barrage plus falling ticket sales and no CL. After all Milan's a business and the brand can only suffer so much.

To me being held accountable would mean being held responsible for the failings of the club by his superior (Silvio). Obviously Barbara challenged him, but he still secured his job and is still in charge of the very areas where he's failed, now looking like he's taking the club towards a path of being a feeder club to the likes of Chelsea and Real. I'm yet to be convinced Galliani's at risk of anything. Those who criticise him are outside the club and have no bearing on the decision making, while Barbara's become very quiet regarding Galliani ever since Silvio intervened last December.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Jay Crisp - 11-07-2014

Milan and Fiorentina rumoured to be interested in a swap...Pazzini for Pasquale and Lazzari.I swear the news gets worse by the week , sure it may not happen but shit its brutally bad news.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - Gabriel426 - 11-08-2014

It is sad. Just ten yrs ago, if you have to name the top 5 clubs in the World, Milan will be one of them along with Man U, Real, Bayern and one of the Barca/Juve/Arsenal. Then 5 yrs ago, Milan is still a top 10 side along with Barca, Real, Bayern, ManU, Chelsea, ManCity, Juve, Arsenal, and PSG/Pool. And today, Milan is not even playing in the Europa and a mid table squad in a weak Serie A.


RE: Winter mercato January 2015 - slifersd - 11-08-2014

As the saying goes, you get what you paid for. Soccer is a zero sum game, for every game someone wins, somebody has to lose. This applies to results both on and off the field. That's why teams invest money to make sure they are as competitive as they can possibly be, so they won't come out on the wrong end of the results.

Management keeps talking about CL, but the truth is, they only wanted to play in CL because of the cash. We are now officially in the "BMW taste, Ford Pinto budget" territory. On one hand, management talks about getting back to the glory days as if there is some grand plan unveiling right in front of our eyes. On the other hand, we sign free useless players, screw up player developments and sell our own youngsters. And all in all, it was all for cash. Glory is something this team can no longer strive for, and that's just the reality of the situation.