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RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Ryo - 07-12-2012
Yawn......
this story is getting tedious, and I highly doubt that we will sell both at anything less than 75Mil.
Thiago at 48 sounds reasonable, Ibra at 17? Doubt it.
As for reinvestments, I bet if we do sell both, Galliani will come out with "oh, 65Mil went to clearing debts. We're in the Black! Rejoice!"
Then he'll go out and buy a third-rated midfield stopper and an old striker on a veteran's minimum.
Boy would that be fun.
I can't wait till next week when we sell Boateng to Madrid for 30Mil and then come out and say we have Nocerino, we have many Champions
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - GeoTav - 07-12-2012
(07-12-2012, 08:09 AM)Ryo Wrote: Yawn......
this story is getting tedious, and I highly doubt that we will sell both at anything less than 75Mil.
Thiago at 48 sounds reasonable, Ibra at 17? Doubt it.
As for reinvestments, I bet if we do sell both, Galliani will come out with "oh, 65Mil went to clearing debts. We're in the Black! Rejoice!"
Then he'll go out and buy a third-rated midfield stopper and an old striker on a veteran's minimum.
Boy would that be fun.
I can't wait till next week when we sell Boateng to Madrid for 30Mil and then come out and say we have Nocerino, we have many Champions
Stop saying such things, I'll hate you if we sell both players and end with Di Natale and Natali !! Worse, we call back from retirement Toni and Inzaghi (we could sell one more striker this way) instead of taking Di Natale !!
And if the 60M were only for Ibra ?
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Kastriot - 07-12-2012
I am very disappointed honestly. I can live without Silva and Ibra. Its not the end of the world, just be done with it. But dont drag the Milan name like this. We have seen this Milan play in serie B, we have seen this Milan get trashed by Juventus and Inter. We have seen Milan finish mid table for couple of years . We have seen Milan lose a CL trophy in 6 min and we stuck with the team.
Sell anybody you want, its your team, your money, you decide. We will understand. But do it with as much dignity as its possible,not like a cheap whore who offer herself for 50 euros and than offer a BJ for an extra 10 euros after you refuse.
I have never ever said a bad word for Galliani and Braida, but I believe it is time for them to step down. They have lost sight to our values and believes, and that is not acceptable.
Talking as a PR expert that I am ( I am
) after this sale is completed (if it is), Galliani needs to step down preferably for Maldini to take over. That is the only way that we can spin this in our favor so Milan still is identified as a big club and fans believe that there is a project in place. New people come with new project:
1. Get rid of the dead-weight ( Seedorf, Nesta,Bommel,Zambro,Pippo,Gattuso,Galliani,Braida etc.)
2. Cost -cut (Ibra,Thiago, Seedorf, Nesta,Bommel,Zambro,Pippo,Gattuso,Galliani,Braida etc)
3. Invest in youth (and belive in it)
4. Invest 50% of sales money in new player, and 40% in balancing the books. 10% in new medical technology
5. Start Stadium Ownership planning.
This will mean no titles for the years to come but there will be a guideline to where we are headed.
If Galliani stays after Thiago and Ibra are gone the only thing that we can do is hope for a miracle. Two years ago that miracle was the FEUD btw Ibra nad Pep. Nowdays hopefully Kolarov, Dzeko,Tevez, Pastore,Xabi Alonso fall out of favor with their respective coaches.
Cuz thats our thing now, we are vultures preying on others misfortune. Thats the plan.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - am I Milan enough? - 07-12-2012
(07-12-2012, 06:18 AM)GeoTav Wrote:(07-12-2012, 06:02 AM)edysim Wrote: so, the ' thanks to President Berlu to stop the transfer because of his enormous love for Milan' drama part II continues ?
You mean "part III" ?
But I don't believe one word about what I just wrote ...
Sorry but I lost counts how many times we were into this 'drama', just feel really
lately how our club has become . If really they need to balance book, just announce it ' due to bla bla bla.. unfortunately we may need to sell our stars to raise cash, balance book, etc.. then just take the highest bid of those offers. That's it ! then go plan for the next step! I mean.. It's no fun to have this repeated every mercato. btw Yoan Gourfuff just celebrated his 26th birthday (source milan news)
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - devoted_dm - 07-12-2012
This whole thing is just getting ridiculous now. I am starting to feel like the club's management can't be trusted anymore. They promise the fans one thing, then they do another.
That being said, I understand that we are talking about a lot of money here, perhaps more than Milan can afford to reject. But like Kastriot pointed out, the club is starting to look like a cheap whore.
Like I said during the first T. Silva saga earlier this summer, I am starting to lose interest here. I am not the kind of fan who needs Milan to win all the time, but I do need to feel like I am supporting a respectable club that also respects me as a fan. Right now I don't feel that at all, and for the first time since I became a fan some 18 years ago, I feel kinda indifferent about the start of the new season. I'm not all that interested in the new players, I haven't even bothered to check our schedule of pre-season friendlies, and I don't sit here wondering how Allegri and the team can win back the scudetto this season. I have no desire to go to the stadium, buy merchandise, pay for TV subscriptions to the channels that show Milan games, etc.
I have been a die-hard supporter for many years, but it feels like something broke this summer. I don't feel the connection to Milan that I did before. I don't recognize my club anymore, nor the game of football itself (thanks to clubs like PSG, Man City, etc). Let them sell Silva and Ibra if they want. At this point, what does it matter anymore?
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Gabriel426 - 07-12-2012
Sell the Club.
I think from now on, whenever I see these saga....I will just comment-sell the club.
I am sick and tired of all these BS from Berlu and Galli. Anyone knows the problem is not Italian Football, or Worldwide Financial Crisis or whatever, the problem is that Berlu does not want to spend and Galli despite being a GM in over 25 yrs are still crap at financial management. A New owner must come in and change the MGT structure, invest on the squad as well as create new revenue stream to ensure Milan as a top 5 teams in Europe.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Nalx - 07-12-2012
(07-12-2012, 09:59 AM)devoted_dm Wrote: This whole thing is just getting ridiculous now. I am starting to feel like the club's management can't be trusted anymore. They promise the fans one thing, then they do another.
That being said, I understand that we are talking about a lot of money here, perhaps more than Milan can afford to reject. But like Kastriot pointed out, the club is starting to look like a cheap whore.
Like I said during the first T. Silva saga earlier this summer, I am starting to lose interest here. I am not the kind of fan who needs Milan to win all the time, but I do need to feel like I am supporting a respectable club that also respects me as a fan. Right now I don't feel that at all, and for the first time since I became a fan some 18 years ago, I feel kinda indifferent about the start of the new season. I'm not all that interested in the new players, I haven't even bothered to check our schedule of pre-season friendlies, and I don't sit here wondering how Allegri and the team can win back the scudetto this season. I have no desire to go to the stadium, buy merchandise, pay for TV subscriptions to the channels that show Milan games, etc.
I have been a die-hard supporter for many years, but it feels like something broke this summer. I don't feel the connection to Milan that I did before. I don't recognize my club anymore, nor the game of football itself (thanks to clubs like PSG, Man City, etc). Let them sell Silva and Ibra if they want. At this point, what does it matter anymore?
I totally understand your feeling mate. Like Warro said few pages back, nothing surprises me anymore. The last few years we've witnessed soooo many questionable if idiotic statements by our top brass to the point that I feel numb about it.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - savage_mau - 07-12-2012
I don't really mind if there is a guarantee of Dzeko,Tevez,Dede,Kolarov & Astori arrival. Better still if Milan signed this player and then only sell Zlatan n Tiago which is unlikely. Anyway..the whole world of football know Milan is broke. Selling 2 of the club best player will only prove Milan is not a serious tittle contender.
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - GeoTav - 07-12-2012
(07-12-2012, 12:20 PM)savage_mau Wrote: I don't really mind if there is a guarantee of Dzeko,Tevez,Dede,Kolarov & Astori arrival. Better still if Milan signed this player and then only sell Zlatan n Tiago which is unlikely. Anyway..the whole world of football know Milan is broke. Selling 2 of the club best player will only prove Milan is not a serious tittle contender.
Impossible : we can take two non-EU players. Gabriel, the new GK, is already one of them (it is said they try to give him a EU passport). So we can take only one non-EU player, and as a consequence, only one of Dzeko, Tevez, Dede and Kolarov ...
Last report : Ibrahimovic accepts to become a PSG player, but only if he can have a very big contract (more than 12M a year).
Ibra would have asked a 14M a year contract to PSG.
The agent of both Destro and Astori was in Milan at the end of this morning to meet Galliani ...
RE: Summer mercato 2012 - Hasan Rossonero - 07-12-2012
(07-12-2012, 09:59 AM)devoted_dm Wrote: This whole thing is just getting ridiculous now. I am starting to feel like the club's management can't be trusted anymore. They promise the fans one thing, then they do another.
That being said, I understand that we are talking about a lot of money here, perhaps more than Milan can afford to reject. But like Kastriot pointed out, the club is starting to look like a cheap whore.
Like I said during the first T. Silva saga earlier this summer, I am starting to lose interest here. I am not the kind of fan who needs Milan to win all the time, but I do need to feel like I am supporting a respectable club that also respects me as a fan. Right now I don't feel that at all, and for the first time since I became a fan some 18 years ago, I feel kinda indifferent about the start of the new season. I'm not all that interested in the new players, I haven't even bothered to check our schedule of pre-season friendlies, and I don't sit here wondering how Allegri and the team can win back the scudetto this season. I have no desire to go to the stadium, buy merchandise, pay for TV subscriptions to the channels that show Milan games, etc.
I have been a die-hard supporter for many years, but it feels like something broke this summer. I don't feel the connection to Milan that I did before. I don't recognize my club anymore, nor the game of football itself (thanks to clubs like PSG, Man City, etc). Let them sell Silva and Ibra if they want. At this point, what does it matter anymore?
This is similar to how I feel.
Our club has no future. Juventus have a future, and so do Inter. They're in talks to build a new stadium, and they have kept a hold of their stars so far. Roma are slowly building themselves up too.
But Milan are no longer a big club in behaviour, only in history. We are a selling club and everyone is fair game. Players will see us as a stepping stone to bigger, richer clubs, similar to Arsenal. Actually Arsenal are also better in terms of wanting to keep their stars. We clearly don't. We are run by an owner (I can't even say his name anymore) who doesn't particularly care about our prestige on the field.
Every year we were improving. Two years ago we lost in the Champions League to Tottenham in the second round. A year later we skinned Arsenal 4-0 and reached the quarters, only to lose to Barcelona.
We needed to build on this team. If we had a serious project we would have. Now, as I see it, we are making a competent team that is there to show up and hope for the best. I honestly don't care who comes in. In a few years they will be for sale because we are becoming a small club. Our past legends have said as much.
I am not exaggerating here. Milan are not seen as big players any more. PSG are knocking on our door because they know we're weak-willed, poor, and run by an owner who would sell anyone if he had to. Anyone. United wouldn't unless a player wants to leave, and other clubs would behave the same way. We are a club that can not only not afford to buy stars (I can live with that), but they can't even afford to keep their stars (a new low). It is still yet to be seen whether T. Silva will be part of this deal (I have doubts), but if he is, it will be a repulsive change of events.
We have been lied to constantly. No other club moans about poverty as much as Milan does every summer. It's demoralizing. Our owner doesn't have the real drive to get something done for our stadium situation either. As far as I see it, he is keeping Milan on life support as he decides what to do with his failing political career, court cases that pop up more than Inzaghi in the box, fines (that were legitimate as far as I can tell) etc. His children are eminently mediocre as well notwithstanding Barbara's dossier about T. Silva. Her love affair with Pato cost us money in January, and do we need a dossier by some half-wit to convince us of T. Silva's value??? The stories concocted about us and our modus operandi are dismaying and sometimes downright laughable.
Meanwhile, other European clubs plan for the new season in earnest with serious directors who are mostly up front with the fans. I don't expect much--just a modicum of honesty and a clear vision. Something like...listen we plan to buy a our own stadium and we need to make these sales. We have to come in line with FFP and be competitive based mainly on our revenue. But there is no plan. There is only mendacity every single summer.