(06-15-2011, 06:04 PM)tim_milan Wrote: I ve been a great fan of Merkel like most of us here. Merkel is one for the future and he needs to play more to showcase his talent. But for the upcoming season i doubt if he would get that at Milan. He s a natural CAM but Allegri used him more often as a LM replacing Seedorf. But if we are in the market for a LM where would Merkel play. Merkel would obviously be used as a backup option. So i think it s best if he goes to Genoa for a season n then get him back like we did with the other lads this season. That for me shud have been done on a loan instead of a co wonnership deal but am hoping Galliani is doing the right thing. If this co ownership would lead us to getting El Shaawary then its not too bad coz we know he too is a prospect and we badly need someone who plays as a trequarti. N i hope El Shaawary plays with us this season rather than Genoa.

(06-15-2011, 06:01 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: just using his name... we will sign one of fabregas, ganso, hamsik etc.

my money is on ganso....

but if you think he's going to bartha just cause, why? He left their once to getp laying time. You don't think he sees xavi/iniesta... the same players who keep him out of Spanish NT on a consistent basis? There's nothing out of real of possibility he comes to milan and goes to bartha in 3 years

(06-15-2011, 05:45 PM)russo-neri Wrote: Ok - if we are selling 50% of players we already own because we don't expect them to improve too much and want to partially recoup our losses, then it makes sense. If we are selling 50% just to give our players playing time they wouldn't get at Milan? Then that's dumb. There are alternatives to accomplishing that such as loaning. I understand there is a difference in incentive for a team to play a player whom they borrowed rather than own. A team that has an equity stake in a player would certainly want to improve that player's play because it would not only benefit the club's standing in the league table, but it would prove beneficial to there bottom line. But 50% seems exhorbitant.

(06-15-2011, 05:45 PM)russo-neri Wrote: Enough with the Fabregas talk!

(06-15-2011, 06:01 PM)russo-neri Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 06:00 PM)Hasan Rossonero Wrote: On the one hand his transfer looks impossible, but on the other many, including even me in some part, believe that it may (just may) happen.

It's hard to let go of that dream .

I wanna smoke what you guys are smoking.

(06-15-2011, 06:02 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 05:08 PM)Siregar Wrote: Source?

ON FOOTBALL-ITALIA.NET MILAN CLOSE TO SHARWWY OFFERING 7 MILLION EURO PLUS HALF OF MERKEL...HE IS VALUED AT 15 MILLION...

Also BLACK...now you can quote and say white.

(06-15-2011, 06:06 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 06:04 PM)tim_milan Wrote: I ve been a great fan of Merkel like most of us here. Merkel is one for the future and he needs to play more to showcase his talent. But for the upcoming season i doubt if he would get that at Milan. He s a natural CAM but Allegri used him more often as a LM replacing Seedorf. But if we are in the market for a LM where would Merkel play. Merkel would obviously be used as a backup option. So i think it s best if he goes to Genoa for a season n then get him back like we did with the other lads this season. That for me shud have been done on a loan instead of a co wonnership deal but am hoping Galliani is doing the right thing. If this co ownership would lead us to getting El Shaawary then its not too bad coz we know he too is a prospect and we badly need someone who plays as a trequarti. N i hope El Shaawary plays with us this season rather than Genoa.

nah, merkel is a natural Creative CM. He's struggled more at CAM cause he isn't quite that creative.

to me his future is LCM or RCM

(06-15-2011, 06:20 PM)Siregar Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 06:06 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: nah, merkel is a natural Creative CM. He's struggled more at CAM cause he isn't quite that creative.

to me his future is LCM or RCM

I think, he is more like Boateng (not how they play but the task they can do). They both are effective player but can't dribble and not creative players. I agree with you that his position should be in midfield, either left or right. But it should be underlined that the other side-center midfielder should be creative one since Merkel is not a creative midfielder. He has creativity but not the player who will be the playmaker in the midfield, something like Pirlo, Seedorf, etc.

(06-15-2011, 06:10 PM)Siregar Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 05:45 PM)russo-neri Wrote: Ok - if we are selling 50% of players we already own because we don't expect them to improve too much and want to partially recoup our losses, then it makes sense. If we are selling 50% just to give our players playing time they wouldn't get at Milan? Then that's dumb. There are alternatives to accomplishing that such as loaning. I understand there is a difference in incentive for a team to play a player whom they borrowed rather than own. A team that has an equity stake in a player would certainly want to improve that player's play because it would not only benefit the club's standing in the league table, but it would prove beneficial to there bottom line. But 50% seems exhorbitant.

Why is selling 50% of our youngsters' contract so that they can play more is dumb? If they can get regular games in Milan, I understand but if not, it means they are just not good enough (NOW) for Milan first team. This means, they are not players who can be predicted accurately (there is risk that they turn to be average players).

(06-15-2011, 06:26 PM)russo-neri Wrote: Because I'm saying there are alternatives like loaning. All I'm saying is if you have an asset and you think it will appreciate in value, then it's dumb to sell half of it while it is still low - unless you are in desperate need of money. It pains me to think that Milan is so financially strapped that we need to sell 50% of a player that's worth 5-6 million to make ends meet.

But honestly, I'm done with this topic because in truth I don't know enough about the details. There might be a lot of fine print in these deals where Milan is assured a reasonable price for the 50%. Or maybe there are issues with Milan's balance sheets and we need to cut some assets because our liabilities are too high. There's so much vagueness with Italian Football business.

(06-15-2011, 06:10 PM)Siregar Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 06:01 PM)russo-neri Wrote: I wanna smoke what you guys are smoking.

Why are you so sure about Fabregas? It seems you REALLY know what Milan will do.

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(06-15-2011, 06:25 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 06:20 PM)Siregar Wrote: I think, he is more like Boateng (not how they play but the task they can do). They both are effective player but can't dribble and not creative players. I agree with you that his position should be in midfield, either left or right. But it should be underlined that the other side-center midfielder should be creative one since Merkel is not a creative midfielder. He has creativity but not the player who will be the playmaker in the midfield, something like Pirlo, Seedorf, etc.

I don't know man... he showed flashes of it. Particularly in coppa italia



He's just physically and tactically not their yet. Which is normal for an 18 year old. Particularly loved his assist. Great vision and precise touch on pass to thread it

notice, goal left footed, assist right footed :O


eitherway he's still just 19. What he'll end up being we don't know. Pato was suppose to be a fantasista, a second striker and it's clear now his best role is #9