(06-15-2011, 03:38 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Co ownership deals are both good and bad. Thing I don't understand is that if Milan is going to sign someone like Witchel for 15 mil, why don't they just keep Merkel for a year and spend 20 mil on someone like Hernanes or VDV.

(06-15-2011, 04:31 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: That's it El Sharawwy play's well next seson very well..say gets 10 goal's and 5-8 assists at 18 Genoa can say we want 20 million for the other half , they could.
As good as KPB was for us he got 3 goals and 1 or 2 assists , it was more his energy and winning back the ball then laying it off that helped us.He isnt a lightening quick player with as much potential as El Sharawwy , and on the flip side as Reza said he may bomb not play and we own have a player that we cannot sell.
Serie B is alot different quality wise than Serie A.Also Genoa own half Merkel so they could hold us to randsom for him aswell.Or outbid us if they went to a blind bid.

(06-15-2011, 04:44 PM)GeoTav Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 04:31 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: That's it El Sharawwy play's well next seson very well..say gets 10 goal's and 5-8 assists at 18 Genoa can say we want 20 million for the other half , they could.
As good as KPB was for us he got 3 goals and 1 or 2 assists , it was more his energy and winning back the ball then laying it off that helped us.He isnt a lightening quick player with as much potential as El Sharawwy , and on the flip side as Reza said he may bomb not play and we own have a player that we cannot sell.
Serie B is alot different quality wise than Serie A.Also Genoa own half Merkel so they could hold us to randsom for him aswell.Or outbid us if they went to a blind bid.

A club like Genoa can't ask for unreal amounts of money for one of their players we co-own with them ... Why ? We are richer, if we can't reach a deal to buy or sell the player, we can wait for the blind bid and we will outbid them because they will never put more than 7-8M for our half. About Merkel, that's the same thing, we will take him back when we'll want, like we just did with Strasser and others.

(06-15-2011, 03:43 PM)reza Wrote: Just an example:

El Sharawwy is worth 15 mil today, we pay 7.5mil for half today.


Two scenarios for next season

1)Next season he plays well:
We have to pay more than 7.5 to get the other 50%

2)Next season he plays poorly:
Our 7.5mil is worth only 4 mil, not only we lost money but also we can't sell the half we need for good money. We also wasted a roster spot.

(06-15-2011, 04:56 PM)russo-neri Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 04:44 PM)GeoTav Wrote: A club like Genoa can't ask for unreal amounts of money for one of their players we co-own with them ... Why ? We are richer, if we can't reach a deal to buy or sell the player, we can wait for the blind bid and we will outbid them because they will never put more than 7-8M for our half. About Merkel, that's the same thing, we will take him back when we'll want, like we just did with Strasser and others.

Just because we are richer doesn't mean we can't be outbid. You're assuming that Genoa wouldn't have enough money to beat us out in a blind auction. But what if Sharaawy ends up being the next Messi. Surely, Genoa would bid an equitable amount, because they could easily flip the purchase and sell to Barca or whoever. All Genoa have to do is find a lender who will front the cash for a short amount of time. Say Madrid want this player badly. Genoa can say - lend us the money to outbid Milan and then you can have him at market. Seriously, what's to stop Genoa from simply selling their half to a team like Inter - a team that would be much more threatening in a blind auction.

(06-15-2011, 03:41 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: Ii don't get why people dislike coownership. Its a great deal for a variety of reasons....

1) el shaarawy was in demand. Using merkel was our trump card if you will
2) merkel is not good enough to play heavily for milan now but has huge talent. This will allow him to play which is what we need most
3) think of it as an investment in merkels future. Genoa now have motiviation to play him. They will make money

We now basically own 50% of two most talented teens in italy. We won't lose either. At some point we'll have to pay to bring both back but it'll be less on our books than without this.

Finally this saves/differs money for our real targets. Which are 2 midfielders. If those players came merkel wouldn't play anyway

(06-15-2011, 04:57 PM)Siregar Wrote:

(06-15-2011, 03:43 PM)reza Wrote: Just an example:

El Sharawwy is worth 15 mil today, we pay 7.5mil for half today.


Two scenarios for next season

1)Next season he plays well:
We have to pay more than 7.5 to get the other 50%

2)Next season he plays poorly:
Our 7.5mil is worth only 4 mil, not only we lost money but also we can't sell the half we need for good money. We also wasted a roster spot.

Advantages:
1. If he plays well next season (either with Milan or with other club), we will get good player
2. We don't need to pay much money right now which means we can use the money (15-7,5= 7,5 mil euros to get other player)
3. Genoa accept the offer and possible won't accept 12 mil euro or even 15 mil euro). This is better than loosing a talent (if he is really a talent)
4. Genoa as Geo said a small club. We can always outbid them.

Disadvantage:
1. Milan could have to pay more than 7,5 mil euro (if the co-ownership is not set in the beginning how much money will Milan have go give) if the player turns to be a damn good player. The worst scenario, Genoa asks unbelievable mount of money (say it 20 mil euros for the other half) then just let them take the player (which I doubt since IMO they won't have such amount of money).

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(06-15-2011, 04:56 PM)russo-neri Wrote: Just because we are richer doesn't mean we can't be outbid. You're assuming that Genoa wouldn't have enough money to beat us out in a blind auction. But what if Sharaawy ends up being the next Messi. Surely, Genoa would bid an equitable amount, because they could easily flip the purchase and sell to Barca or whoever. All Genoa have to do is find a lender who will front the cash for a short amount of time. Say Madrid want this player badly. Genoa can say - lend us the money to outbid Milan and then you can have him at market. Seriously, what's to stop Genoa from simply selling their half to a team like Inter - a team that would be much more threatening in a blind auction.

If he turns to be the new Messi (let's just assume like that), you think Milan won't outbid their bid? Come on, a new Messi Milan won't ignore it.

If you think a small club like Genoa can outbid us, then it should be a MUCH better chance for us to outbid them, don't you think?