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RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - fLame - 09-27-2011
(09-27-2011, 11:35 AM)Hitman Wrote: Well he's recently taken Pato's spot in the Brazil NT, maybe Milan have also realised that Pato can't be depended on?
He's good, but he's nowhere near as good as Pato was in Brazil. Pato was out-of-this-world, his talent was comparable to the world's greatest... however look at him today... Can't control a ball to save his life when the pressure is on. These days talent is not enough to make it at big teams, it requires alot of hard work, character and courage. If Pato doesn't get his act up soon, he'll join Gila and Huntelaar on the Flop List, regardless of how many goals he's scored for us..... It really is shocking how he has such an impressive record at such a young age playing so terribly. One can only wonder what if he used his talent to it's fullest....
Ugh, was another hate speech necessary? I am sure people remember your opinion from your last rant.
And nice way to contradict your entire post with the bold part.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - xudong - 09-27-2011
I wouldn't call that a hate speech. Pato in my opinion has yet to prove his value as he does possess all the talent to become one of the world's best players.
One can perhaps argue that Hitman might have used some strong phrases (not in this post though), but I do share his sentiment and agree with his points. it is just different posting style. Hitman is known to speak his mind directly.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - will4li - 09-28-2011
3 things positive of pato
1 world class finishing,lethal at all box area.
2 elite level speed,definitely in the category of lighting quick.
3 great workout these years,just look at his up-body-built.
3 things negative
1 injury a lot,11 times in 3 years,jesus! he put on muscles too quick?
2 try to do too much some time,excessive dribble.needs to stay peace.
3 drift out of the game from time to time,should work on his concentration and stability.
pefect hardware(except injuries), software needs upgrade.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - k7r - 09-28-2011
Kaka played for Real Madrid yesterday night over their win against Ajax.....!!! so bye bye Kaka...he is not going to play for us again as he will be cup tied. Morover he was the top of the match.....he was involved in the first goal, scored the second and assisted the third........he is back to his old self again.......
I am worried about Pato too.....but offloading him would be foolishness, as we are never going to get a similar young forward with that caliber & talent for anything less than 50mln......lets wait for him to explode...i still believe in him...
Next is Taiwo...i dont rate him after seeing the recent matches....certainly not world class, and should not be a starter....may be we should offload him for someone like david luiz in the summer....
And lastly we should get de rossi.....at any cost...he will be the missing link this season...
next season we can start worrying about replacements for seedorf, ambro, gattuso, van bommel, inzaghi, cassano, nesta/yepes, zambrotta....
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - Pato Milan - 09-28-2011
(09-28-2011, 01:46 AM)will4li Wrote: 3 things positive of patoWell put!
1 world class finishing,lethal at all box area.
2 elite level speed,definitely in the category of lighting quick.
3 great workout these years,just look at his up-body-built.
3 things negative
1 injury a lot,11 times in 3 years,jesus! he put on muscles too quick?
2 try to do too much some time,excessive dribble.needs to stay peace.
3 drift out of the game from time to time,should work on his concentration and stability.
pefect hardware(except injuries), software needs upgrade.
Good to be 'updated' with all his 'specifications!
I know Pato is very frustrating but I think we should give him time, I know we've waited a lot already but that is because he is only 22 and he came when he was 17, to perform at this level, under so much pressure, in such a big team, yet so young, is impressive. No youngster like him has done this much, maybe Messi and remember his career took off at this age. And recently for Brazil I have heard every commentator praising his controls in the box after a long pass and thus creating a goal opportunity. Look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGeeH84cDp8
I know this is only 1 example but he certainly does know how to control.
Pato is a striker and he needs support and recently he didnt get much whether its due to injury of Ibra, Robinho or Boateng or lack of quality our midfielders. Which striker can perform under these circumstances?
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - k7r - 09-28-2011
(09-28-2011, 06:04 AM)Pato Milan Wrote:(09-28-2011, 01:46 AM)will4li Wrote: 3 things positive of patoWell put!
1 world class finishing,lethal at all box area.
2 elite level speed,definitely in the category of lighting quick.
3 great workout these years,just look at his up-body-built.
3 things negative
1 injury a lot,11 times in 3 years,jesus! he put on muscles too quick?
2 try to do too much some time,excessive dribble.needs to stay peace.
3 drift out of the game from time to time,should work on his concentration and stability.
pefect hardware(except injuries), software needs upgrade.
I know Pato is very frustrating but I think we should give him time, I know we've waited a lot already but that is because he is only 22 and he came when he was 17, to perform at this level, under so much pressure, in such a big team, yet so young, is impressive. No youngster like him has done this much, maybe Messi and remember his career took off at this age. And recently for Brazil I have heard every commentator praising his controls in the box after a long pass and thus creating a goal opportunity. Look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGeeH84cDp8
I know this is only 1 example but he certainly does know how to control.
Pato is a striker and he needs support and recently he didnt get much whether its due to injury of Ibra, Robinho or Boateng or lack of quality our midfielders. Which striker can perform under these circumstances?
exactly!!! i second that....the problem is that consider if we sell pato...but its difficult, may be impossible to get a replacement for him considering the spending power that we have....so we will look at options like amauri, balotelli etc which i feel will be worse than the gila/tomasson type transfers.....
pato played brilliatly two years back, just bcoz the squad was a lot younger then, we had a world class midfield with pirlo at his best, a younger seedorf, a dangerous forward line with kaka & sheva, and a rock solid defence with maldini and nesta....right now we dont have anyone to connect the defence and the forward line...pato is that type of player where he needs the creative midfielders to create chances for him where 99% he will score.......now its not the case, he has to track back, take the ball from midfield and run at the defence...in which he is not that successful....he is a deadly finisher for heavens sake........give him a decent midfield, and i am sure he will be back to his best....
---------------------------------ibra----------------------pato--------------------robinho/aquilani (CAM)-------------------
---------------------------------de rossi/seedorf-------------mvb/ambro--------------------boateng/nocerino
----------------taiwo---------------------silva--------------------nesta----------------------------abate-----
------------------------------------------------------abbiatti---------------------------------------------------
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - xudong - 09-28-2011
Kaka will never go back to his "old self," but with his calibre, even if he could get back 50 or 70 percent, he would still be a fantastic player.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - fLame - 09-28-2011
(09-27-2011, 05:04 PM)xudong Wrote: I wouldn't call that a hate speech. Pato in my opinion has yet to prove his value as he does possess all the talent to become one of the world's best players.
One can perhaps argue that Hitman might have used some strong phrases (not in this post though), but I do share his sentiment and agree with his points. it is just different posting style. Hitman is known to speak his mind directly.
Well, once again if we look at the bold part where he says "... playing so terribly ...", then anyone unbiased can easily see that it's a bunch of BS.
His goal / playing time ratio is already world class. But as far as I understand, hitman thinks that scoring goals doesn't constitute playing well?
p.s. and also don't forget about the first part where he claims Leandro overtook Pato's spot in Brazil NT, which is of course BS of epic proportions.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - xudong - 09-28-2011
I guess I am biased too then.
I feel that he indeed has been playing terribly below par, but that could be because I had really high hope and expectations on him. 
I am upset with Allegri putting Pato on the bench, but then when Ibrahimovic is injured which means it should be time for Pato to shine, he hurt himself too!
Anyway, Forza Milan. Forza Pato. I certainly don't want to see him leave us, but he will have to stay healthy and grow mature tactically if he wanted to reach the level of Kaka.
RE: Winter Mercato 11'/12' - Hitman - 09-28-2011
lol, Damiao took Pato's spot only in the last Brazil NT game (while Pato was healthy and watching from the bench), and played rather well and linked much better with Neymar than Pato has in recent games... but it's only last game... Pato's currently injured so he'll miss next game as well, so I won't use this bs'ness (like you) to back up my points (still remember you claiming Nocerino assisted Pato's goal at the Nou Camp omg I laugh to that every time I remember it)... I'll wait till the end of 2011 and we can see whether Damiao has overtaken Pato in the Brazilian setup (who by the way is no where near Pato's natural talent, but the guy performs when it counts and thats what matters).
But it's cool fLame, I aint insulting you... Why can't you agree to disagree man? I was one of the first to turn against Pato because I am quite impatient, but I felt I have given him chance after chance and he hasn't put in the effort to repay Milan back.. I'm not saying let's sell him at all costs.. I'm saying if Robinho's back, Pato should never start again until he changes drastically.... and I also am saying if an offer of worth 40m comes in, we best consider it, because with FFP coming in, offers like that will never be coming again. With that money we can buy players who can do much more of a difference than the Pato of 2009-2011.... however if Pato returns to his 2007-2009 self, I wouldn't swap him for anyone on the planet!
But really, are we Arsenal to wait on Pato to get back to form? It's been 2 years already, everytime he looks close (even though its not really close) to returning to full fitness, he gets injured again. More and more fans are growing impatient with him. And what I hate most about him, is that he's dating the President's daughter, and thus making him rather untouchable. He is growing into a primadonna and that's where the problem is.
Forza Milan (forza Xudong for backing me too
)