(05-10-2011, 01:34 PM)Kastriot Wrote: http://sitel.com.mk/video/fudbal/nov-ispad-na-ibrahimovik

Seriously somebody needs to kick his ass....where is Gooch when u need him

(05-10-2011, 01:28 PM)HO-YOUNG Wrote: on the whole issue of Ganso vs Pastore... i wonder how much of us here sacrifice the time to watch Santos/Ganso... i know there is a time zone concern with regards to when the santos games come on but we should really look at this Ganso kid... i watch him a lot and see how he impacts a game and dictates the pace and overall play, he doesnt pop in and out of the game... and how he have the ability to make you jump out of your seat... i watch Pastore some times... and he is no where near as dangerous and decisive as Ganso IMO... we should try and look beyond youtube to make a decision... as it relates to injury i would rather have Ganso fit for for half season than have Pastore fit for the whole season...

(05-10-2011, 09:31 AM)GeoTav Wrote: Taiwo should receive a French passport very soon, so he shouldn't take a non-EU spot ... Anyway, didn't the FIGC decide to change again the rule and give 2 non-EU spots again ?

About Ganso, it looks like we're going to give him up because of his new injury. It seems he'll be out for 3 months this time, and that is too much to invest 30+M, that means the guy will have been out for almost 12 months (when he'll come back) ...

ANother great talent killed by injuries ?

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(05-10-2011, 04:51 AM)brasileiro Wrote: A question about Pastore for you guys... and please, forget I´m Brazilian.

The fact he "shines" at a middle/small Club and not at Argentine NT do not make you guys worried?? Gillardino is the first that come to mind when I think about him. Not the same at Italy NT(HUGE pressure) as in Fiorentina. Plus, didn´t Pastore also has a cronicle problem on the knee? I read this somewhere some time ago...

Look, it´s just a way that I use to rate players from Brazil, but in the big majority of the cases, it works. Of course I´m not here saying it´s a fact that Pastore will fail, just externalizing a serious concern... IMO, a big red flag.

Thoughts?

But doesn't Messi usually fail with his NT and offers bad/average performances for Argentine despite being one of the best, if not the best, player in the world ? Same can also be said for Cristiano Ronaldo ...

IMO, games with the NT aren't that important, of course, they can give confidence to a player, of course they can show how solid mentally a player is, but they aren't a way to rate players as with NT, you play one game once a while, and you aren't used to your partners, which can be a problem. If the guys around you don't play well or your coach doesn't know you well enough to use you in your best position, there aren't many things you can do ... It's why I don't really use NT games to rate players. And I think players from clubs like Palermo or Napoli have a lot of pressure, almost as much as in the biggest Italian clubs because their fans are quite "hot" ...

(05-10-2011, 02:23 PM)brasileiro Wrote: You missed my point, Geo...

Messi and Cristano didn´t produce at NT, but you forgot that they already play for a BIG team, unlike Pastore. If Pastore was playing bad at Argentine but tearing up at Bayern Munich, I would be more relaxed of to pay huge money for him. But until today he´s playing( a few) great games at Palermo. You can´t compare his case with Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi...

Regarding the second bold part, can´t agree. It´s a totaly different world. In my opinion the type of pressure can´t be compared. It happened a lot in Brazil and I believe that around the world too. The amount of great prospects that explode here at middle/small clubs playing amazing football and when are purchased by big teams like São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians fail to show the same level, is huge!

Maybe is because I don´t rate Pastore as most here, but names like Suazo, Perea, Gila came to my mind...

(05-10-2011, 02:29 PM)GeoTav Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 02:23 PM)brasileiro Wrote: You missed my point, Geo...

Messi and Cristano didn´t produce at NT, but you forgot that they already play for a BIG team, unlike Pastore. If Pastore was playing bad at Argentine but tearing up at Bayern Munich, I would be more relaxed of to pay huge money for him. But until today he´s playing( a few) great games at Palermo. You can´t compare his case with Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi...

Regarding the second bold part, can´t agree. It´s a totaly different world. In my opinion the type of pressure can´t be compared. It happened a lot in Brazil and I believe that around the world too. The amount of great prospects that explode here at middle/small clubs playing amazing football and when are purchased by big teams like São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians fail to show the same level, is huge!

Maybe is because I don´t rate Pastore as most here, but names like Suazo, Perea, Gila came to my mind...

Ok, I understand your point now ... and tend to agree with you about Pastore nowadays (not because of his performances in NT but because of his performances in Palermo, lately, he's been bad/average).
Anyway, we won't get Pastore !!

The question I don't find answers is if we don't get Ganso, what is the best for us ? Trying to find another great prospect in the AM position (but who ??), or letting Boateng there and try to get better midfielders to play behind him (midfielders able to be defensive minded but also able to play football, guys like Fabregas, Sahin, or the impressive Sandro) ?