(04-29-2011, 07:10 AM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: personally i think you all overestimate milans spending power. Milans earnings are published yearly and so are their wages. Milans wage bill is on par with madrid/barca and co. While they earn less than arsenal, bayern etc.

This is my biggest issue with galliani, he renews too many players and gives poor wages. Like it or not serie a is 3rd/4th tier monetarily. Milan are still a big name but must be RESPONSIBLE with there money. This means no 5 mil wages to flamini, no keeping oddo/janku cause they are 'family' and no overspending.

Milan are generally poorly run. I love galliani, but he thinks too much with his heart and too little with his head. Our payroll is 130 mil+ after taxes. Do we have a roster which justifies that? Nah.

(04-29-2011, 03:34 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: Well that's true Hassan Minus the big two in spain the rest earn far less than average Serie A team


Also, the other issue is the San Siro. Bayern (for ex.) earns money through there stadium on non-football related events too. But what we lose in paying to rent, and in lack of gate receits (we give back portion to milan) is a lot bigger than you'd think. If Milan owned san siro they might be making 25 to potentially 50 mil more a year according to some estimates.

(04-29-2011, 03:42 PM)Hasan Rossonero Wrote:

(04-29-2011, 03:34 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: Well that's true Hassan Minus the big two in spain the rest earn far less than average Serie A team


Also, the other issue is the San Siro. Bayern (for ex.) earns money through there stadium on non-football related events too. But what we lose in paying to rent, and in lack of gate receits (we give back portion to milan) is a lot bigger than you'd think. If Milan owned san siro they might be making 25 to potentially 50 mil more a year according to some estimates.

Oh I don't underestimate it at all my friend. In fact, I have been clamouring for the need to expand our portfolio.

That would also require a vast structural change, and, again, willingness to invest in a stadium. Berlusconi is unwilling to do that, it seems. City councils won't let go. In the current climate, we cannot expand our financial portfolio.

And, thanks to Platini, we cannot rely on owners to compensate.

(04-29-2011, 03:51 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote:

(04-29-2011, 03:42 PM)Hasan Rossonero Wrote: Oh I don't underestimate it at all my friend. In fact, I have been clamouring for the need to expand our portfolio.

That would also require a vast structural change, and, again, willingness to invest in a stadium. Berlusconi is unwilling to do that, it seems. City councils won't let go. In the current climate, we cannot expand our financial portfolio.

And, thanks to Platini, we cannot rely on owners to compensate.

If I remember correctly, Berlusconi has said he's willing to. He'd make a lot of money long term. It's a smart move. It's the CITY who won't do it.

Why would they, they are making a killing off Milan and inter. The arrangement benefits them first and foremost.

That + construction in italy is a bigger nightmare than most of western world, lol.

On a sidenote: Sensi tried to do this for a while with Roma but failed. New owner, DI Bennetto is committed to. For them it could be what they need to actually financially compete with Italy's big 3 earners.

(04-29-2011, 04:31 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: Not always that easy. Turin city council supported the building of a new stadium. Construction is not that easy on that scale. Especially when City won't approve you buying San Siro. Other options are developing a stadium outside city, which is not really a good option (do you want AC Milan to play in como or malpensa?). The factors are a problem.

It's a lame argument to say 'if berlu wants to he can'. Doesn't always hold water. He's not stalin in the ussr.

(04-29-2011, 05:28 PM)Ca Rossonero Wrote: I guess I should clarify my position (I have a bad habit of thinking people can read my mind).....

Milan COULD build a new stadium. But, getting land in the city of Milan is near impossible (I mean where, if you've been it's not like there's a large open space anywhere in the city. MAYBE on the outskirts). Secondly, I doubt they want to build a new stadium. They want to purchase the San Siro. The city won't sell it's that simple. Why would the city sell it? They got an excellent deal going. Not only do they make 6 mil a year on rent, but the collect a chunk of gate receipts and milan/inter are responsible for maintenance?! Not to mention, all concerts/shows which happen, city makes money, Milan makes zero.

The talk has always been Inter develop a stadium outside Milan (since most of there players bar zanetti, materazzi, cordoba and a few others, live in Como near their training facility) and Milan find a way to purchase San Siro.

Having observed development of new stadiums elsewhere and personally working in construction industry, you have to realize, it does take a lot of time. Finding land, environmental studies, city approval. That takes years before you even break ground. Look at liverpool and chelsea. both want new stadiums, but nothing has happened. Took Valencia so long before they got plans going. And Italy is generally less evolved in that regard than England/Spain

But I don't buy Berlusconi doesn't want to. If he's first and foremost motivated by money, the stadium is a no brainer. He'd make 3 times as much in the long run.