(09-15-2014, 03:00 AM)xudong Wrote: did you refer to this?

(09-14-2014, 11:47 PM)Gabriel426 Wrote: Wait, I thought you are only talking about finishing. Now it is about decision making and passing too? What's next, different type of formations, how he presses....

As for no big teams want him. He just turned 19 not 27. Pippo never played for a BiG team till Juve at 24 and even then I doubt a lot of big teams want him. Yet he somehow managed to be the 2nd highest scorer in CL history.
Drogba moved to Marseille at the age of 25, and don't think he was wanted by BIG teams before that.
Cavani was a nobody when he was 19, he only became wanted By BIG teams in Napoli at age 24.
Eto was unwanted by Real who signed him at 16 and loaned him out pretty much for the next few yrs. he finally found a home at Mallorca, and even at one point was begging to come to Milan. He was 23 when he moved to Barca.

Torres, Saviola, Rooney, Babel, Robinho, and kluivert were all wanted by BIG teams and even played for BIG teams at late teens and early 20s, they were among the top of strikers in their generations and yet when they all hit mid 20s, they all pretty much become middle of the pack.

Now I am not saying Niang will turn into an unstoppable force, but to write someone off at 19 with great physique and great speed is a bit much.

(09-15-2014, 05:02 AM)nefremo Wrote: Yes, I'm getting it. I basically repeated what you said. I even quoted it for you. Used YOUR words. You continue to mention other players of his age, and I keep giving you reasons why development differs and others at 19 doing so great doesn't have to mean that they'll be better then Niang, and vice versa. You asked for players that had difficulty scoring at young age and then went on to be class scorers and I gave you that. Then you found something else wrong with that and came up with where they played. How Serie A was better, and "at least they scored goals"???? COME ON, what's next as Gabriel said?! Well Niang also scored 4 goals last season on loan, so there, he fits that criteria too I guess. At least he scored a few...
I basically proved to you that it's impossible to come up with a player's "ceiling" at 19 (a visibly talented player that is) by naming a ton of players whose ceilings were thought to be low yet look what happened. Gabriel came up with a few more great examples too.

In any case, it looks like we are not going to agree, so let's just agree to disagree and see what happens. I don't know if Niang will end up like Drogba or Henry or Sheva....but I have seen that he is very talented and that he shouldn't be written off at his age. At the end of it all, he's a Milan player now so it's beneficial to all of us that he actually performs well and I'm hoping that he does so.

(09-15-2014, 03:18 PM)nefremo Wrote: None of them had difficulty scoring? Di natale scored 6 goals in 33 games at Niang's age over multiple seasons. If that's not difficulty scoring then I don't know what is. Henry only scored 3 in his time at Juventus and he was 21 years old. People wrote him off as not good enough.
You keep adding things to your criteria. Weak teams, strong leagues, etc. Was Juventus a weak team in a strong league?


Anyway, I can definitely see where you are coming from and how that makes sense. I just don't agree with it right now. In the end you might be right, or I might be right. Or maybe neither one of us will be. It's the beauty of this sport. Let's move on...thanks for joining the forum and bringing up some good discussions!