Udinese vs. Milan 8/25/19
(08-26-2019, 04:02 AM)Reso Wrote: anyway we can show this post to Giampaolo.

This loss could be a blessing in disguise. Now Boban and Maldini might rush to sign good players. Rumours of James have resurfaced

Fans never stop hoping I guess. However I would expect nothing like the above.

Maldini and Boban are fucked. They did not learn anything from Milan's recent past, if they expected the answers from someone like Giampaolo. Loser crew.
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(08-26-2019, 04:02 AM)Reso Wrote: anyway we can show this post to Giampaolo.

This loss could be a blessing in disguise. Now Boban and Maldini might rush to sign good players. Rumours of James have resurfaced
we do have good players on the bench (at least compared to those who played), the selection for starting eleven was absurd tbh.

imagine Jack Bennacer Hakan and Pacqueta behind 2strikers Piatek and Silva or Leao.. that midfield was easily 10x more technical and stronger(able to control) than what we saw in the game.
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(08-26-2019, 02:12 AM)Nalx Wrote: Giampaolo's post match comment is even more worrying than our performance on the field. He came with his own brand of football and got the entire summer to evaluate the players at his disposal.

We're neither world class nor abysmal, but by playing the same players only out of their natural positions, he simply forced the squarest pegs to fit the round holes. And by doing that he changed what was good last season which is not much to begin with. No wonder the whole team looked lost.

And now he wanted to discard the entire pre-season, not to mention new players brought in to suit his 4-3-1-2, to go back to 4-3-3. After one phucking competitive game? Spineless coach.

Giampaolo want to play 4312..so he spent whole pre season to teach his system to the available players WHILE waiting for management to buy suited player for his 4312 

However, Milan management take their own time to wait till end of transfer window for good opportunity (Maldini said this in one of the press conference) and due to FFP or whatever reason...always sell first before buy, and don't want to overpaid player
So until today..2 players for the important position (treq+SS) still not been bought yet..

IMO if you hand pick the coach..you should support them fully...by giving the players he wants earlier..so he can get things done during pre season..so far only Theo signing justified this

Look at Inter..for Conte 352,to get everything prepared during pre season..they overpaid Barela+sensi+Lukaku..get rid perisic..never wait for icardi saga to dictate their transfer activity..and when Lukaku transfer dragged too long,Conte start whining to management,ask them to get it done fast.
of course Milan can't compete with Inter financially due to FFP...but it can be done...do a smart buy (Bennacer-16M), paid loan for good players (Ceballos,James), get free transfer (Ribery)..and don't overpaid player (Leao-30M)..sell unwanted players in big discount (Samu,Laxalt,Andre Silva)

For Giampaolo case... if Management didn't buy treq+SS for him, i think he will change to 433 once the transfer window is closed.
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Quote:I get the reaction to Giampaolo’s post game comments- but much more than formations, it’s a matter of talent, just look at starting lineup. Milan need Bennacer & Leao to contribute and add more Milan caliber players, the formation is a secondary problem

I don’t care what formation you are using when you have players in it who have proved they aren’t good enough to compete for a CL spot. The lineup is what needs to improve organically (Bennacer, Leao, Hernandez, Kessie) and with new additions much more than formation
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Quote:Milan started the season with not so much a step backwards as a stumble and accidental backflip. After their first official 90 minutes, Marco Giampaolo was already wondering aloud whether he should scrap the 4-3-1-2 system entirely and start from scratch. There was certainly little of the new-look Rossoneri on show in Udine.
The starting line-up was a big surprise in itself. Despite having spent about €80m to sign Rade Krunic, Ismael Bennacer, Theo Hernandez, Leo Duarte and Rafael Leao, none of them started. Giampaolo played a midfield that had Lucas Paqueta, Hakan Calhanoglu and Fabio Borini, as he looked to add technical skills to the heart of the park.
That never helped the side settle, as Calhanoglu played in a rather unnatural deeper role. While Borini had played in midfield in the pre-season friendlies, he never looked like someone who could play in that position in the long-term. Paqueta too started in a position that is deeper than usual for a player who will always prefer to play closer to the striker.
Udinese though, made full use of Milan’s inability to get going. Igor Tudor was clever to create wide overloads in their 3-5-2 shape, exploiting Milan’s lack of numbers in those areas. The Rossoneri’s lack of organization in midfield forced Ricardo Rodriguez and Davide Calabria to deal with extra pressure down their sides.
Tudor’s men stayed tight and narrow without the ball and played in wide areas while in possession and this countered Milan’s inefficiencies perfectly.
Calhanoglu’s lack of defensive awareness saw Milan’s backline get exposed many times on the break. It was very evident that Milan were playing their first Serie A game with a new system. The possession never led to anything special as they kept losing the ball in midfield, leaving Krzysztof Piatek to feed off scraps.
Samu Castillejo had a poor game, as he started alongside the Pole and did just about nothing. The only big spark that he provided came when the Spaniard countered the Udinese wide overload by taking up a position on the right, going past a couple of Udinese defenders and feeding Piatek. The resulting shot was blocked and that was the only clear chance that fell to the misfiring former Genoa man.
Castillejo and Suso looked as though they were lost - not knowing what their purpose was in a more complex system than ever. Because of them, Piatek cut a rather frustrated figure, as his tally remained at three since mid-March. It will be unfair to blame him, considering he was left isolated upfront many times last season too. This was a new challenge in itself.
Udinese also relied on the pace of Kevin Lasagna. The Italian stayed glued to the last man of the Milan defence, lurking and waiting to pounce on any pass or loose ball that fell in that area. The Rossoneri's high line in possession helped Lasagna in that regard.
Il Diavolo had possession that hardly led to anything concrete and it was the introduction of the highly-touted Rodrigo de Paul that brought the goal for Udinese - something that they richly deserved after having tested Gigio Donnarumma several times.
The Argentine's corner proved to be the assist for Rodrigo Becao's bullet header in the 72nd minute. It was a testament to how much Udinese will miss him if De Paul does leave the club this summer, with Fiorentina, Napoli and Atletico Madrid still interested.
The introductions of new signings Bennacer and Leao offered some hope, though. Having a more suitable figure in Bennacer brought better balance to the midfield and having a proper striker in Leao gave the midfield someone to look out for. Despite having played only about 15-20 minutes, the duo looked better than the men they replaced - Castillejo and Paqueta, with Calhanoglu playing slightly further forward.
Franck Kessie's introduction added some steel and venom to the same area of the pitch, but a rather lacklustre evening ended with Milan failing to register even a single shot on target, compared to the Zebrette's tally of six.
The new signings provided some much-needed hope towards the end and Giampaolo's admission about the need for a change in system caught some off guard. While he was at fault for the team selection and the way the midfield was set up, Giampaolo is still getting to grips with a side that has never really played a similar brand of football in recent years. The same goes for the players, who will take a while to gel into this new set-up.
Giampaolo implied that these players were simply not capable of fitting into his system, so he would have to adapt rather than try to change their basic characteristics. Does that mean the entire pre-season training period has been a complete waste of time?
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if we are switching back to 4-3-3 , i want Gattuso back then.
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Playing 4-3-3 again...... without having proper Left-winger. What can 1-D Suso and Samu can provide on right?? 4-3-3 also means more playing time for Borini (which is suicidal at this point). Now we have to buy another LW for that.
You fear because you live without Love Pioli
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No need to give up on the formation. Just change the players. Bennacer played more vertical penetrating passes in 10 minutes then the rest of the midfield in 80mins. So, just play him. Who the F cares if he's had 5 training sessions. Just play him FFS! Leao cause more problems then Samu did all game. Again, play him. You play the best players. Simple as that.

And get Borini off the fucking field please. Gives us guarantees? What kind of guarantees? Guarantee that we are playing with 10 on the field instead of 11?

Anyway, part of the problem was tactical and part of it psychological, but theyi
go hand and hand.

The psychlogical part has to do with courage. During the summer, when we played meaningless friendly games...the CBs and the midfielers weren't afraid to play a penetrating vertical ball into traffic in order to start a combination. Vs Udinese, an official game that matters...none of them had the balls to do that. They all chose the safe option time and time again, resulting in countless backwards and sideways passes, giving Udinese plenty of time to set up and defend. No balls to thread a pass in traffic and put Udinese on the backfoot.

The tactical problem wasn't the formation, but how it was executed. Romagnoli would have the ball, and we kept a line of 4 when in that possession. Instead of the fullbacks pushing up and the side CMs tucking in, we did the opposite. We kept the fullbacks back and sent the CMs wide. We looked like this when the CBs had the ball...

Calabria - Musacchio - Romagnoli - RR
----------------------------Hakan-----------------------
Borini ---------------------------------------------Paq
--------------------------Suso---------------------------

Too wide and too far away from the ball. Romagnoli's (or Musacchio's) only option was wide to a Fullback/CM or a 35meter pass to Suso/Samu/Piatek. Not sure why we did this as this was completly different then what we did in the summer. I get that Udinese clogged the middle and the CMs were looking for space, but they can't do that. They have to stick to the task and leave the outside open.
We should have looked more like this when the CBs had possession....

-----------------Musacchio------Romagnoli-----------------
--------------------------------Hakan--------------------------------
Calabria---------Borini-------------------Paq------------RRod
-----------------------------------Suso-------------------------------

Same options, but all further up field, however, way more options closer to the ball. In the first example, all close options were wide with 2 of them even being horizontal. The only vertical options being 35 meters away (Suso) and 5 meters away (Hakan, who would only play the ball back to a CB or fullback anyway because of the fullback's deep positioning).

We had no transition. No penetration. Giampaolo is supposed to be the master of 4312...but today was just simply a terrible execution of that tactic.
I'm notcaiming to know more then him, but just saying he got it wrong today. And I can't understand why because we did what I said in the summer. Yet today, out of nowhere we looked completely different. The is zero reason for Paqueta and Borini/Kessie to be on the sideline on our half of the field. And if they are doing this on their own because they are too scared to play in traffic and under pressure in the middle...well then they need to step up or we need to find players that can do that.
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@Nef

I think you hit it pretty clearly with the comment on defenders not playing penetrating passes. So Hakan was doubled for much of the start of the match. He couldn't shake defenders to get a ball behind them. So we need him to drift his guys wide to free up that space in the middle for Pacqueta or Borini. That was the wall pass we heard so much about for Giampaolos system. However Mussachio and Romagnoli wouldn't make the pass and couldn't dribble iNto space for fear lasagnas pace.

If we just play our best players this system may work. With that said, a Piatek with Icardi swap may be our best bet.
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(08-26-2019, 02:12 AM)Nalx Wrote: Giampaolo's post match comment is even more worrying than our performance on the field. He came with his own brand of football and got the entire summer to evaluate the players at his disposal.

We're neither world class nor abysmal, but by playing the same players only out of their natural positions, he simply forced the squarest pegs to fit the round holes. And by doing that he changed what was good last season which is not much to begin with. No wonder the whole team looked lost.

And now he wanted to discard the entire pre-season, not to mention new players brought in to suit his 4-3-1-2, to go back to 4-3-3. After one phucking competitive game? Spineless coach.

(08-26-2019, 02:15 AM)honsano Wrote: I'm hoping he is pulling a balsy move on Maldini/Boban saying if you don't give me a CAM, then we have to play a formation better suited to the team I have. We have spent a summer purchasing for his formation. It would have been nice to know we need some wingers instead of Leao or working so hard on trying to get Correa! Also, we have Hakan as a CAM. At the very least, he deserves a run before giving up on the whole formation. I just can't believe that this guy spent an entire summer learning about these players and the team only to figure out after the first game his tactics won't work. His 433 comment must have some hidden meaning.

Good posts.

I hope he was misunderstood when he said he’s changing formation after his 1st hiccup. Would be very spineless. Too spineless for what we need right now.

Really didn’t like how slow our defenders passed the ball about. Bennacer had to show them how it’s done.
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